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**DumnEuronoumn** · 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM

I'm alluding to the fake charlatans out there who legalise all sorts of doubtful actions such as istagatha, music etc., which further serves to catalyse the growth of a movement today that dismisses the whole of the noble science of tasawwuf.

for the advice, which is much appreciated.

However, please forgive me for not being able to restrain myself when I read about the true spiritual masters who would be scarred for life for failing to practise one sunnah momentarily, and those bandied about today who are beyond criticism for shaving daily, dancing to music, treating three talaqs as one, reciting regularly ya abdal qadir jilani, building over graves, and all the other doubtful practices that can be justified on the premise of adopting the tarjeeh/ijtihad of a latter day mujtahid, in conflict with the clearly recorded and non-inferred ruling of the early mujtahids.

I think you may be referring to Imam Nawawi here and the trimming/shaving issue. If so, you need to really let that one go because your digging yourself further and further into a hole, never mind the fact that you are in effect dismissing a whole madhab (much in the same way as the ahle hadees do to Hanafis on issues such as raful yadayn).

PS: You have quoted Sh. Uthman dan Fodio on scrupulousness etc. you might want to do a search on him on this forum for a particular thread because as per your lofty standards he falls quite far short. He has described 4 levels of wara'a and you have asked the question whether any of the 'spiritual masters' have made it past level two. But I don't think Sh. Uthman dan Fodio would get past level 1 according to your lofty standards.

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DumnEuronoumn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 484 Senior Member	I'm alluding to the fake charlatans out there who legalise all sorts of doubtful actions such as istagatha, music etc., which further serves to catalyse the growth of a movement today that dismisses the whole of the noble science of tasawwuf. for the advice, which is much appreciated. However, please forgive me for not being able to restrain myself when I read about the true spiritual masters who would be scarred for life for failing to practise one sunnah momentarily, and those bandied about today who are beyond criticism for shaving daily, dancing to music, treating three talaqs as one, reciting regularly ya abdal qadir jilani, building over graves, and all the other doubtful practices that can be justified on the premise of adopting the tarjeeh/ijtihad of a latter day mujtahid, in conflict with the clearly recorded and non-inferred ruling of the early mujtahids. I think you may be referring to Imam Nawawi here and the trimming/shaving issue. If so, you need to really let that one go because your digging yourself further and further into a hole, never mind the fact that you are in effect dismissing a whole madhab (much in the same way as the ahle hadees do to Hanafis on issues such as raful yadayn). PS: You have quoted Sh. Uthman dan Fodio on scrupulousness etc. you might want to do a search on him on this forum for a particular thread because as per your lofty standards he falls quite far short. He has described 4 levels of wara'a and you have asked the question whether any of the 'spiritual masters' have made it past level two. But I don't think Sh. Uthman dan Fodio would get past level 1 according to your lofty standards.
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