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**Olphander** · 05-26-2010, 05:26 AM

Honestly I don't believe in the Somali clan system anyway, sounds like some made up stuff to me. There is no proof people who live nearly 1,000 miles away from Puntland are really of the same clan. There is indeed a slight difference within Somalis you can’t deny it, but for the untrained eye it is hard to detect.

If you believe certain parts of the abtiris is fabricated, or based on myths, it means you're logical...if you think the whole structure is 'made up stuff' it shows your ignorance regarding Somali history, which is a shame.

You being a Harti should know that during the Majerten sultanate of the 1700s-1800s, there was a migration of MJ's southwards, concluding with the founding of cities like kismaayo. Some MJ's moved to Kismaayo as recently as the 1970s...are you saying that these are going to be closer to Rendille and Samburu than to you? We're talking about your own cousins here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majeert...een_Sultanates

As for the Isaaq, there has been a steady migration to Kenya since the end of World War I...my own grandfather moved to Naivasha, Kenya as a young man in the 1930s, before joining the British Navy. These Isaaq are obviously related to the Isaaq up north in Somaliland, more so than the Hawiye/Degodia Somalis of the Northern Frontier Province of Kenya, who they have little to no affinity for.

Bottom line, it depends on the group we are discussing. Somalis are nomads par excellence, and their migrations did not stop in some antiquated era, but continued and continues to this day...the traditional North-South-East-West clines does not really work to define Somali groups. A Somali in the borders of Kenya maybe more related to another Somali in Djibouti, than someone in between, say in Mogadishu, all based on their personal historical circumstances.

05-26-2010, 05:26 AM	#10
Olphander Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 621 Senior Member	Honestly I don't believe in the Somali clan system anyway, sounds like some made up stuff to me. There is no proof people who live nearly 1,000 miles away from Puntland are really of the same clan. There is indeed a slight difference within Somalis you can’t deny it, but for the untrained eye it is hard to detect. If you believe certain parts of the abtiris is fabricated, or based on myths, it means you're logical...if you think the whole structure is 'made up stuff' it shows your ignorance regarding Somali history, which is a shame. You being a Harti should know that during the Majerten sultanate of the 1700s-1800s, there was a migration of MJ's southwards, concluding with the founding of cities like kismaayo. Some MJ's moved to Kismaayo as recently as the 1970s...are you saying that these are going to be closer to Rendille and Samburu than to you? We're talking about your own cousins here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majeert...een_Sultanates As for the Isaaq, there has been a steady migration to Kenya since the end of World War I...my own grandfather moved to Naivasha, Kenya as a young man in the 1930s, before joining the British Navy. These Isaaq are obviously related to the Isaaq up north in Somaliland, more so than the Hawiye/Degodia Somalis of the Northern Frontier Province of Kenya, who they have little to no affinity for. Bottom line, it depends on the group we are discussing. Somalis are nomads par excellence, and their migrations did not stop in some antiquated era, but continued and continues to this day...the traditional North-South-East-West clines does not really work to define Somali groups. A Somali in the borders of Kenya maybe more related to another Somali in Djibouti, than someone in between, say in Mogadishu, all based on their personal historical circumstances.
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