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**bpejjssoe** · 05-30-2010, 06:28 PM

The Somali expansion southwards to present day Kenya basically finished by the 18th century, had there been no European colonization of Kenya and Tanganyka, I'm certain Somalis would have reached Mount Kilimanjaro by the mid 19th century, and have completely taken over the Masai Mara area bordering Kenya/Tanzania.

Fascinating to think what might have happened if colonial europeans hadn't intervened. Maybe somalis would have pushed further south all the way to south africa only to be stopped by the zulus

I'm a bit surprised though that this expansion took place relatively late, only during modern age. (maybe some biological reason for this like tsetse??)

Is there any possibility of previous southward cushitic (not necessarily somali) migrations that were not memorized/ recorded by history? Leaving no linguistic traces but instead leaving genetic ones?

Contacts with Nilotic groups like the Samburu, Turkana and Masai have only occured recently, and even then, the mixing has been kept to a minimum. This is not the case for other Cushitic speakers, like the Rendille and Borana Oromo, who have also been culturally influenced by Nilotes.

According to Tishkoff many kenyan ethnicities (incl. bantu speaking kikuyu) have some cushitic component. Do you think it comes from the oromo/rendile rather than from somalis?

05-30-2010, 06:28 PM	#18
bpejjssoe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	The Somali expansion southwards to present day Kenya basically finished by the 18th century, had there been no European colonization of Kenya and Tanganyka, I'm certain Somalis would have reached Mount Kilimanjaro by the mid 19th century, and have completely taken over the Masai Mara area bordering Kenya/Tanzania. Fascinating to think what might have happened if colonial europeans hadn't intervened. Maybe somalis would have pushed further south all the way to south africa only to be stopped by the zulus I'm a bit surprised though that this expansion took place relatively late, only during modern age. (maybe some biological reason for this like tsetse??) Is there any possibility of previous southward cushitic (not necessarily somali) migrations that were not memorized/ recorded by history? Leaving no linguistic traces but instead leaving genetic ones? Contacts with Nilotic groups like the Samburu, Turkana and Masai have only occured recently, and even then, the mixing has been kept to a minimum. This is not the case for other Cushitic speakers, like the Rendille and Borana Oromo, who have also been culturally influenced by Nilotes. According to Tishkoff many kenyan ethnicities (incl. bantu speaking kikuyu) have some cushitic component. Do you think it comes from the oromo/rendile rather than from somalis?
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