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**Shiplyopidomi** · 09-21-2012, 07:20 PM

السلام عليكم,

With regards to Fajr time, as far as I know, there isn't a scholarly difference of opinion of 15 vs. 18 degrees. The scholars are agreed on the observable phenomenon in the sky that marks the beginning of Fajr time. The question is just how to calculate the time of that phenomenon accurately- that is, it is a matter of astronomy rather than jurisprudence. The way to be certain is for someone, who knows how to tell the start time of Fajr from the sky, to go out of the city in your locality and mark down the time when they observe Subh Sadiq and compare that to the timetable.

Even if your local masjid distributes 15º timetables, it is necessary for you to stop your fast at 18º. It's not a matter of scholarly opinion, a person can always go out with someone who knows how to recognize Subh Saadiq and observe the sky for themselves.

No worries. Yes, finally figured out I need to get rid of the link

It seems many here disregard Islamic finder for using correct methods, good thing because they had Fajr starting even EARLIER than the prayercalc website.

(I use the 18 degree timetable.) As for going out of the city to look for subh sadiq, it has been mentioned that as far as 5 miles out is a different subh sadiq is listed than the local masjid. So the times cannot apply EXACTLY to people living in the city as I understand it. this is just a small point though..

The link you provided (had some interesting details but) never disregarded the 15 degree viewpoint and actually mentioned a highly respected shaikh supporting it. 18 degrees seems to be the majority opinion but I do not believe that the 15 degree opinion is totally rejected. If someone did go out and look and supported the 18 view, then someone should say theat the 15 degree view is TOTALLY REJECTED to use for starting the fast. No ulama have done that yet , I understand.

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Shiplyopidomi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	السلام عليكم, With regards to Fajr time, as far as I know, there isn't a scholarly difference of opinion of 15 vs. 18 degrees. The scholars are agreed on the observable phenomenon in the sky that marks the beginning of Fajr time. The question is just how to calculate the time of that phenomenon accurately- that is, it is a matter of astronomy rather than jurisprudence. The way to be certain is for someone, who knows how to tell the start time of Fajr from the sky, to go out of the city in your locality and mark down the time when they observe Subh Sadiq and compare that to the timetable. Even if your local masjid distributes 15º timetables, it is necessary for you to stop your fast at 18º. It's not a matter of scholarly opinion, a person can always go out with someone who knows how to recognize Subh Saadiq and observe the sky for themselves. No worries. Yes, finally figured out I need to get rid of the link It seems many here disregard Islamic finder for using correct methods, good thing because they had Fajr starting even EARLIER than the prayercalc website. (I use the 18 degree timetable.) As for going out of the city to look for subh sadiq, it has been mentioned that as far as 5 miles out is a different subh sadiq is listed than the local masjid. So the times cannot apply EXACTLY to people living in the city as I understand it. this is just a small point though.. The link you provided (had some interesting details but) never disregarded the 15 degree viewpoint and actually mentioned a highly respected shaikh supporting it. 18 degrees seems to be the majority opinion but I do not believe that the 15 degree opinion is totally rejected. If someone did go out and look and supported the 18 view, then someone should say theat the 15 degree view is TOTALLY REJECTED to use for starting the fast. No ulama have done that yet , I understand.
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