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**tpJKhY8Z** · 06-25-2012, 03:52 AM

Who were the Celts and where did they come from?

I propose that:

Proto-Celts were the people who brought R1b, agriculture and Indo-European language to Western Europe, arriving roughly 4000-3000BC.

According to Andrew Garrett there were no Proto-Celts. Celtic dialects aroused from local Sprachbund phenomena:

the formation of a Celtic subgroup of Indo—European, the formation of an Italic subgroup, and even the formation of ‘Greek’ itself may have been secondary Sprachbund phenomena: local responses to areal and cultural connections that could very well have arisen in Greece, on the Italian peninsula, and in western and central Europe. These would represent linguistic areas, not merely the final landing sites of three discrete Indo—European subgroups after some millennial peregrination from the steppes. If this view is right, it makes no sense to ask what route the speakers of ‘Proto—Greek’, ‘Proto—Italic’, or ‘Proto—Celtic’ followed from the Indo—European homeland: no such languages existed, and no such populations. It is an accident of history that these three families and apparent branches of Indo—European have arisen (or four, if we restore Albanian to its place among the living). This accident reveals nothing about Indo—European, its speakers, or the dispersal of Indo—European languages and their speakers.
http://linguistics.berkeley.edu/~garrett/BLS1999.pdf

Ethnogenesis of Celts and Germanics is a very interesting subject now. It seems that both those ethnicities originated in Atlantic Europe and have nothing to do with Eastern Europe.

06-25-2012, 03:52 AM	#19
tpJKhY8Z Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 514 Senior Member	Who were the Celts and where did they come from? I propose that: Proto-Celts were the people who brought R1b, agriculture and Indo-European language to Western Europe, arriving roughly 4000-3000BC. According to Andrew Garrett there were no Proto-Celts. Celtic dialects aroused from local Sprachbund phenomena: the formation of a Celtic subgroup of Indo—European, the formation of an Italic subgroup, and even the formation of ‘Greek’ itself may have been secondary Sprachbund phenomena: local responses to areal and cultural connections that could very well have arisen in Greece, on the Italian peninsula, and in western and central Europe. These would represent linguistic areas, not merely the final landing sites of three discrete Indo—European subgroups after some millennial peregrination from the steppes. If this view is right, it makes no sense to ask what route the speakers of ‘Proto—Greek’, ‘Proto—Italic’, or ‘Proto—Celtic’ followed from the Indo—European homeland: no such languages existed, and no such populations. It is an accident of history that these three families and apparent branches of Indo—European have arisen (or four, if we restore Albanian to its place among the living). This accident reveals nothing about Indo—European, its speakers, or the dispersal of Indo—European languages and their speakers. http://linguistics.berkeley.edu/~garrett/BLS1999.pdf Ethnogenesis of Celts and Germanics is a very interesting subject now. It seems that both those ethnicities originated in Atlantic Europe and have nothing to do with Eastern Europe.
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