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**Npbfamgt** · 01-23-2011, 02:29 PM

Hate speech legislation makes it impossible to talk about the root cause of the crimes against the Jews in Malmo.

If it's impossible to discuss I've yet to notice it, but I digress. In this thread Heraclitus goes way overboard with the alarmism regarding one case in France that doesn't even appear to have led to a conviction (yet?).

The other point is that "crimes against Jews" is in itself a hate crimes category. If hate crimes are not a good thing to record separately, then that includes anti-semitic crimes. Jews aren't special. Do you agree or not? In other words, is your position consistent or not, because it appears like it isn't.

Just by looking at convictions and compare them to polled opinions (of antisemitic, racist or homophobic sentiments) we can see that in all the countries the legislation is rarely used to protect natives, be they Christian, Atheist or Jewish (unless the assailants on the Jews happens to be other native borns, then they are protected). In practical terms such legislation does diddly squat for Jews assaulted by any of the protected ethnicities. Hate crimes reported in this country are usually trifles. In the vast number of cases it's speech (insults), threats, vandalism, even discrimination is called a hate crime. Maybe singling them out as hate crimes has an effect, maybe it doesn't. I notice you've already made up your mind on that but I haven't. Some people think that's an irrelevant consideration and that it's important for society to make a "statement". I disagree, but it's not one of my major personal concerns.

01-23-2011, 02:29 PM	#11
Npbfamgt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 564 Senior Member	Hate speech legislation makes it impossible to talk about the root cause of the crimes against the Jews in Malmo. If it's impossible to discuss I've yet to notice it, but I digress. In this thread Heraclitus goes way overboard with the alarmism regarding one case in France that doesn't even appear to have led to a conviction (yet?). The other point is that "crimes against Jews" is in itself a hate crimes category. If hate crimes are not a good thing to record separately, then that includes anti-semitic crimes. Jews aren't special. Do you agree or not? In other words, is your position consistent or not, because it appears like it isn't. Just by looking at convictions and compare them to polled opinions (of antisemitic, racist or homophobic sentiments) we can see that in all the countries the legislation is rarely used to protect natives, be they Christian, Atheist or Jewish (unless the assailants on the Jews happens to be other native borns, then they are protected). In practical terms such legislation does diddly squat for Jews assaulted by any of the protected ethnicities. Hate crimes reported in this country are usually trifles. In the vast number of cases it's speech (insults), threats, vandalism, even discrimination is called a hate crime. Maybe singling them out as hate crimes has an effect, maybe it doesn't. I notice you've already made up your mind on that but I haven't. Some people think that's an irrelevant consideration and that it's important for society to make a "statement". I disagree, but it's not one of my major personal concerns.
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