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**Wxrxnhar** · 08-25-2012, 06:34 PM

Oh boy, there seems to be more mistranslation and misunderstanding in Buddhism than in Christianity and Islam combined!

Thanks

I would support this view. Buddhism probably holds far more variance in interpretations than Christianity and Islam probably do. In fact, most Buddhists have never objectively studied the Buddha's words and follow various sectarian & guru traditions

I just don't know how to get a true grasp of this with all these different views, people saying completely different things...

The scriptures quoted show it accords with reason. For example, the scripture quoted states: "When seeing past nivasa, in reality, these past nivasa are just form, feeling, perception, mental fabrications & consciousness subjected to attachment. These things are not 'I', 'mine' or 'myself'."

That being the case, how can they be the Buddha's past lives or my past lives when Buddha said these recollections should not be taken to be "me" or "mine"?

But, still, such intellectual understanding, even if it is correct, is not so important. Instead, when the mind experiences the peace of non-attachment & freedom from egoism then it can verify Buddhism for itself. As I posted in another thread, BuddhaDhamma is to be verified experientially. Ultimately, all doctrinal interpretations have no relevance whatsoever. They are all forms of blind faith.

The scriptures explain:

Knowing thus and seeing thus, would you say, 'The Teacher is our respected mentor. We speak thus out of respect for the Teacher'?"

No, lord.

Knowing thus and seeing thus, would you say, 'The Contemplative says this. We speak thus in line with the Contemplative's words'?

No, lord.

Is it the case that you speak simply in line with what you have known, seen, & understood for yourselves?

Yes, lord.

Good, monks. You have been guided by me in this Dhamma which is to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be realized by the observant for themselves. For it has been said, 'This Dhamma is to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be by the observant for themselves,' and it was in reference to this that it was said.

MN 38 ***

08-25-2012, 06:34 PM	#16
Wxrxnhar Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	Oh boy, there seems to be more mistranslation and misunderstanding in Buddhism than in Christianity and Islam combined! Thanks I would support this view. Buddhism probably holds far more variance in interpretations than Christianity and Islam probably do. In fact, most Buddhists have never objectively studied the Buddha's words and follow various sectarian & guru traditions I just don't know how to get a true grasp of this with all these different views, people saying completely different things... The scriptures quoted show it accords with reason. For example, the scripture quoted states: "When seeing past nivasa, in reality, these past nivasa are just form, feeling, perception, mental fabrications & consciousness subjected to attachment. These things are not 'I', 'mine' or 'myself'." That being the case, how can they be the Buddha's past lives or my past lives when Buddha said these recollections should not be taken to be "me" or "mine"? But, still, such intellectual understanding, even if it is correct, is not so important. Instead, when the mind experiences the peace of non-attachment & freedom from egoism then it can verify Buddhism for itself. As I posted in another thread, BuddhaDhamma is to be verified experientially. Ultimately, all doctrinal interpretations have no relevance whatsoever. They are all forms of blind faith. The scriptures explain: Knowing thus and seeing thus, would you say, 'The Teacher is our respected mentor. We speak thus out of respect for the Teacher'?" No, lord. Knowing thus and seeing thus, would you say, 'The Contemplative says this. We speak thus in line with the Contemplative's words'? No, lord. Is it the case that you speak simply in line with what you have known, seen, & understood for yourselves? Yes, lord. Good, monks. You have been guided by me in this Dhamma which is to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be realized by the observant for themselves. For it has been said, 'This Dhamma is to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be by the observant for themselves,' and it was in reference to this that it was said. MN 38 ***
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