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**YmolafBp** · 12-08-2011, 10:55 AM

i 100% agree with you. my high school teacher came in one day and said as he was riding his bike across the bridge that connects louisville to indy and for the first time he noticed he was not crossing the same river he did yesterday. the water is always different, the mud under the water is different. its a totally different river then the day before. im pretty sure he also realized the same is true for everything, everything changes just like the "self". but my problem is, is it still not a river, a body of moving water. the "self" changes from the start but it still had a start right? like if you put up a wall you start from the bottom and work your way up, the soul starts at the beginning and transforms, but its still apart of everything right.

Let us say that you are drawing a circle and then you kept drawing right on top of it, over and over, say thousands of times. Does it really matter where the start is? Buddha refused to answer the question of origin as well, because the point is moot.

Another way to look at this is this: Let's us assume that your pen's first point of the circle is RED. But your pen changes colors randomly. So as you draw your circle, the first circle would have rainbow color effect. The second circle, on top of the first, would muddy the color of the circle, it will get dark and brown. Do this a few more times, you will have a completely black circle. And your circle will remain black no matter how many more times you draw. The only way out is to draw another dot outside of the circle and stop.

The new dot outside the circle could be blue, could be brown, could be yellow, but it doesn't have to be RED. If you don't like the color of the new dot, draw another dot.

12-08-2011, 10:55 AM	#14
YmolafBp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	i 100% agree with you. my high school teacher came in one day and said as he was riding his bike across the bridge that connects louisville to indy and for the first time he noticed he was not crossing the same river he did yesterday. the water is always different, the mud under the water is different. its a totally different river then the day before. im pretty sure he also realized the same is true for everything, everything changes just like the "self". but my problem is, is it still not a river, a body of moving water. the "self" changes from the start but it still had a start right? like if you put up a wall you start from the bottom and work your way up, the soul starts at the beginning and transforms, but its still apart of everything right. Let us say that you are drawing a circle and then you kept drawing right on top of it, over and over, say thousands of times. Does it really matter where the start is? Buddha refused to answer the question of origin as well, because the point is moot. Another way to look at this is this: Let's us assume that your pen's first point of the circle is RED. But your pen changes colors randomly. So as you draw your circle, the first circle would have rainbow color effect. The second circle, on top of the first, would muddy the color of the circle, it will get dark and brown. Do this a few more times, you will have a completely black circle. And your circle will remain black no matter how many more times you draw. The only way out is to draw another dot outside of the circle and stop. The new dot outside the circle could be blue, could be brown, could be yellow, but it doesn't have to be RED. If you don't like the color of the new dot, draw another dot.
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