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**Hofonom** · 09-14-2011, 01:21 AM

i see. So language and culture really would separate them huh?

---------- Post added 2011-09-12 at 20:51 ----------

Was that because of race or trade or something like that?

i know that the Tuareg experienced many problems because of desertification and foreign alliances which are trying to force them into 'modernization'

In case you still don't quite get what he's saying, it's just that they are seperated into distinct groups further seperated by distance is all.

Compare with Germany and France, or East verses West Coast rappers.

Not to say anything with certainty about race, completely negating race from it, because it actually is that I have heard of some groups (Northerners) having issues racially, with non-Berbers from Sub-Saharan Africa as well as with Tuareg (also Berber speakers).

However, if a Northern Berber (or Amazigh -- Ilias what do you prefer calling yourself btw? And personally, outside of a learning context?) simply says they are tightnit derivative groups (rather than integral with other groups) that just as well explains it with out a need to necessarily insert race into his explaination (by asking if he meant racially).

My own question to Berbers:

I am kind of curious in terms of Northerners, though, that is: for groups like say the Kabyles and Riffians, with whom it seems not uncommon to have blondes, is there that much phenotype variation? What is the range in all its extremities and if there is variation is one end taken to be more indicative of Riffianness than the other?

09-14-2011, 01:21 AM	#24
Hofonom Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	i see. So language and culture really would separate them huh? ---------- Post added 2011-09-12 at 20:51 ---------- Was that because of race or trade or something like that? i know that the Tuareg experienced many problems because of desertification and foreign alliances which are trying to force them into 'modernization' In case you still don't quite get what he's saying, it's just that they are seperated into distinct groups further seperated by distance is all. Compare with Germany and France, or East verses West Coast rappers. Not to say anything with certainty about race, completely negating race from it, because it actually is that I have heard of some groups (Northerners) having issues racially, with non-Berbers from Sub-Saharan Africa as well as with Tuareg (also Berber speakers). However, if a Northern Berber (or Amazigh -- Ilias what do you prefer calling yourself btw? And personally, outside of a learning context?) simply says they are tightnit derivative groups (rather than integral with other groups) that just as well explains it with out a need to necessarily insert race into his explaination (by asking if he meant racially). My own question to Berbers: I am kind of curious in terms of Northerners, though, that is: for groups like say the Kabyles and Riffians, with whom it seems not uncommon to have blondes, is there that much phenotype variation? What is the range in all its extremities and if there is variation is one end taken to be more indicative of Riffianness than the other?
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