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**investor** · 11-28-2010, 04:46 AM

DR is not smaller learn your geography! Niether is it smaller in population either DR now has 10 million haiti has 9

I never mentioned the geography you twit. I mentioned population size comparative to the number of homicides that occurred in Haiti in 2008. Haiti had a population of roughly 9.8 million at the time (prior to the earthquake), the D.R. in contrast had a population size of roughly 9.5 million. So clearly the D.R. was smaller in 08. Besides the World Factbook (a goverment-funded website) has the D.R. listed as having 9.8 million people (and not 10 million) so I don't know where you're getting those averages? Wikipedia?

And Haiti today doesn't have 9 million (considering they had 9.8 in 2008), they've got roughly 9.7 million people (post-earthquake), they clearly had more prior to the 200,000 fatalities in 2009. But even with the recent dip, they're still not far behind, and likely to reclaim the lead (they have a higher birthrate than the D.R.).

And haitis crime rate is much more than DR the reason why statistics appear lower is because there is no law, haitians don't report all the crimes commited since there is no law. To remind you haiti every year comes in 10TH placce of the failed states meaning the couuntry is out of control and a messed up government

Dude, I never said Haiti kept adequate crime records, because they don't. These crime statistics were recorded by UN Peace Keeping officials, who worked tirelessly with Haitian law enforcement to make sure they could keep proper records of the crimes that were committed per annum.

At the end of the day, I'll take the word of an internationally known co-op/organization over that of a nation which would have incentive to mask it's out-of-control crime problem. Again, it wouldn't be Haiti releasing the data, but the friggin UN. Why would the United Nations lie? One counter example, is a country like Jamaica, while I believe they're releasing a good portion of the data, there's no reason to believe they can't be omitting a portion of it as well, just to make their country as tourist-friendly as possible (the problem is, when you top 1500 hundred murders consistently, I don't know how you can expect to be seen as tourist-friendly).

Either the data is very limited or it's just plain bullshit: there is no way Haiti is safer than other Carribean countries.

It's simple, the data was collected through UN interaction with local city law enforcement. UN Peacekeepers were stationed at various locales, and helped law enforcement to better keep records/files of criminal activity occurring in their respective cities. They then tabulate the data, and voila. Obviously there will be some crimes that go unannounced, but no more than in countries like Mexico (which by Haitian standards, is far more developed economically). Most of the unreported crimes are things like rape (which is typically committed by a family member), and battery/assault (also typically committed by a family member). Murder rarely ever goes unreported in any country, except if the body is hacked up and buried somewhere. But even then, if you have family, they'd report you missing. But those missing persons generally fall under "missing persons" (much like in the US), and are not considered homicides till a body or identifiable remains can be found.

You're clearly reaching mayne. Haiti has it's fair share of problems, but crime, especially violent crime, ain't one of them. When people are too busy dying off from starvation and other assorted problems, you really think they have time to think about committing crimes. Commit a crime where? To get what? Country is broke as hell, and most of the rich keep themselves well isolated from the commoners, so generally, there's no chance of jacking "king creole."

Basically, to sum it up, Haiti is so poor, its people literally can't afford to commit too many crimes.

11-28-2010, 04:46 AM	#38
investor Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 485 Senior Member	DR is not smaller learn your geography! Niether is it smaller in population either DR now has 10 million haiti has 9 I never mentioned the geography you twit. I mentioned population size comparative to the number of homicides that occurred in Haiti in 2008. Haiti had a population of roughly 9.8 million at the time (prior to the earthquake), the D.R. in contrast had a population size of roughly 9.5 million. So clearly the D.R. was smaller in 08. Besides the World Factbook (a goverment-funded website) has the D.R. listed as having 9.8 million people (and not 10 million) so I don't know where you're getting those averages? Wikipedia? And Haiti today doesn't have 9 million (considering they had 9.8 in 2008), they've got roughly 9.7 million people (post-earthquake), they clearly had more prior to the 200,000 fatalities in 2009. But even with the recent dip, they're still not far behind, and likely to reclaim the lead (they have a higher birthrate than the D.R.). And haitis crime rate is much more than DR the reason why statistics appear lower is because there is no law, haitians don't report all the crimes commited since there is no law. To remind you haiti every year comes in 10TH placce of the failed states meaning the couuntry is out of control and a messed up government Dude, I never said Haiti kept adequate crime records, because they don't. These crime statistics were recorded by UN Peace Keeping officials, who worked tirelessly with Haitian law enforcement to make sure they could keep proper records of the crimes that were committed per annum. At the end of the day, I'll take the word of an internationally known co-op/organization over that of a nation which would have incentive to mask it's out-of-control crime problem. Again, it wouldn't be Haiti releasing the data, but the friggin UN. Why would the United Nations lie? One counter example, is a country like Jamaica, while I believe they're releasing a good portion of the data, there's no reason to believe they can't be omitting a portion of it as well, just to make their country as tourist-friendly as possible (the problem is, when you top 1500 hundred murders consistently, I don't know how you can expect to be seen as tourist-friendly). Either the data is very limited or it's just plain bullshit: there is no way Haiti is safer than other Carribean countries. It's simple, the data was collected through UN interaction with local city law enforcement. UN Peacekeepers were stationed at various locales, and helped law enforcement to better keep records/files of criminal activity occurring in their respective cities. They then tabulate the data, and voila. Obviously there will be some crimes that go unannounced, but no more than in countries like Mexico (which by Haitian standards, is far more developed economically). Most of the unreported crimes are things like rape (which is typically committed by a family member), and battery/assault (also typically committed by a family member). Murder rarely ever goes unreported in any country, except if the body is hacked up and buried somewhere. But even then, if you have family, they'd report you missing. But those missing persons generally fall under "missing persons" (much like in the US), and are not considered homicides till a body or identifiable remains can be found. You're clearly reaching mayne. Haiti has it's fair share of problems, but crime, especially violent crime, ain't one of them. When people are too busy dying off from starvation and other assorted problems, you really think they have time to think about committing crimes. Commit a crime where? To get what? Country is broke as hell, and most of the rich keep themselves well isolated from the commoners, so generally, there's no chance of jacking "king creole." Basically, to sum it up, Haiti is so poor, its people literally can't afford to commit too many crimes.
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