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**KaterinaNJq** · 06-23-2011, 06:33 AM

I asked no one to get involved for a reason. ... The only way to prevent her from going on a tangent is by keeping the discussion locked onto the original subject

Sorry, but I can't stand by with her BS. I promise I will post strictly on topic though.

1: The people that make up the modern state of Turkey are not in any significant way genetically linked to the Central Asian Turks.

Actually, there is an obvious link between Turkish and other Turkic people in autosomal DNA by both "admixture" and "structure" methods, as I understand them.

It's kinda funny (and rather telling) how people who whine about Turkish nationalism put genetics in the center of their argument though.

2: The majority of people that make up the modern state of Turkey do not have a historical linguistic "Turkic" association. .

Yes, they do. The majority identifies Turkish not only in the national, but also in the ethnic sense. Because they have a tribal-ethnic/ethnic-linguistic connection to the people who did the same as them in history.

Oh and, as a Turkish-speaker, how can you not know that Turkic-Turkish dichotomy in English doesn't even exist in Turkish? Why the fixation on the former then?

Turkish only became the state language in 1923 after 600 years of no official use. The elite used Ottoman, whilst the various different ethnicities living in Anatolia and the Ottoman lands used their own languages.

Getting desperate?

The name of the language is Ottoman Turkish. And the chief and, by far, the most important ethnicity in the Ottoman Empire, which was also known as Turkish Empire, were Turks.

You are asserting that all people living in Turkey are ethnic Turks. I just stated that the majority of people living in Turkey are not Ethnic Turks.

No, he is saying that ethnic Turks are ethnic Turks and that they are a majority (about 80%), which is perfectly true.

I realised you couldn't decipher the difference between a Turkish citizen of X ethnicity and an Ethnic Turk.

You are the one who pretends not to be able to do that, pitifully similar to some rabid anti-Turks in these fora.

06-23-2011, 06:33 AM	#6
KaterinaNJq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 439 Senior Member	I asked no one to get involved for a reason. ... The only way to prevent her from going on a tangent is by keeping the discussion locked onto the original subject Sorry, but I can't stand by with her BS. I promise I will post strictly on topic though. 1: The people that make up the modern state of Turkey are not in any significant way genetically linked to the Central Asian Turks. Actually, there is an obvious link between Turkish and other Turkic people in autosomal DNA by both "admixture" and "structure" methods, as I understand them. It's kinda funny (and rather telling) how people who whine about Turkish nationalism put genetics in the center of their argument though. 2: The majority of people that make up the modern state of Turkey do not have a historical linguistic "Turkic" association. . Yes, they do. The majority identifies Turkish not only in the national, but also in the ethnic sense. Because they have a tribal-ethnic/ethnic-linguistic connection to the people who did the same as them in history. Oh and, as a Turkish-speaker, how can you not know that Turkic-Turkish dichotomy in English doesn't even exist in Turkish? Why the fixation on the former then? Turkish only became the state language in 1923 after 600 years of no official use. The elite used Ottoman, whilst the various different ethnicities living in Anatolia and the Ottoman lands used their own languages. Getting desperate? The name of the language is Ottoman Turkish. And the chief and, by far, the most important ethnicity in the Ottoman Empire, which was also known as Turkish Empire, were Turks. You are asserting that all people living in Turkey are ethnic Turks. I just stated that the majority of people living in Turkey are not Ethnic Turks. No, he is saying that ethnic Turks are ethnic Turks and that they are a majority (about 80%), which is perfectly true. I realised you couldn't decipher the difference between a Turkish citizen of X ethnicity and an Ethnic Turk. You are the one who pretends not to be able to do that, pitifully similar to some rabid anti-Turks in these fora.
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