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**rozettasmolanov** · 03-10-2011, 07:40 PM

It's not really choice when you either obey or go to hell.

It's not.

Jesus said (I'm paraphrasing) that we are not to condemn sinners, and that God will forgive who he chooses to forgive, because he knows their hearts. There's no way to really predict who will be going to Heaven.

The whole concept of Sainthood is that that particular Church believes those people are definitely in Heaven. That doesn't make it "official" or anything. Only God knows.

True, so the next time a guy with a gun points it in your face and asks for your money and tells you that he will kill you otherwise thank him for giving you the choice.

Poor analogy. If the guy kills you, he'll take your money anyway.

If you tell God to shove it, you're not going to do what he wants you to do. Unless you're Jonah, anyway.

03-10-2011, 07:40 PM	#34
rozettasmolanov Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	It's not really choice when you either obey or go to hell. It's not. Jesus said (I'm paraphrasing) that we are not to condemn sinners, and that God will forgive who he chooses to forgive, because he knows their hearts. There's no way to really predict who will be going to Heaven. The whole concept of Sainthood is that that particular Church believes those people are definitely in Heaven. That doesn't make it "official" or anything. Only God knows. True, so the next time a guy with a gun points it in your face and asks for your money and tells you that he will kill you otherwise thank him for giving you the choice. Poor analogy. If the guy kills you, he'll take your money anyway. If you tell God to shove it, you're not going to do what he wants you to do. Unless you're Jonah, anyway.
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