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**neirty** · 09-13-2011, 04:28 AM

From what I've read and heard DeKlerk was a pragmatist and a reluctant reformer; his history was that of a fairly hard right-winger in the NP, perhaps it was just a time and place thing, if he had been President 10 years earlier than he was would he have initiated the reform process? Plus he sought a democratic mandate to continue the reform process in 1992 (the big vote), is it not possible he was hoping the result would have come out against continuing reform?

Is the ANC as corrupt as everyone says? They seem to have a lot of support still, in the townships etc I consider their views pretty stupid but are they corrupt in the way most African rulers are (i.e. stealing from the coffers of gov't)?

His history shows otherwise. It's said that while he was young he wasn't really concerned about reform of South Africa and that he only later felt that a reform was needed. My mom told me she remembers his first speech when he became leader of the N.P, she says she can kind of remember him talking about a new democratic South Africa. I don't know, I admire him in a way, but then again you could also be right when you say maybe deep down he was hoping that by ending Apartheid the votes in the election would be in his favor. I do also admire him for what he has to say about the current ANC.

Well to me the ANC = racist scum. But they will always have a lot of support, even Nelson Mandela still voted for them

In a way I understand why he does cos it was the party that he fought alongside during Apartheid.

---------- Post added 2011-09-12 at 22:30 ----------

It's difficult for me to comprehend how Apartheid coerced and oppressed the Boers by lumping them with other whites.

That the ANC is oppressing whites now does not mean that Apartheid can be turned on its head.

Like I said, real Boers benefited from Apartheid a lot, else today many wouldn't still sing Die Stem and yes I have seen it with my own eyes how some of them still sing the old anthem. So how oppressed were they really.

---------- Post added 2011-09-12 at 22:33 ----------

Laksmi for President.

LOL

09-13-2011, 04:28 AM	#26
neirty Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 615 Senior Member	From what I've read and heard DeKlerk was a pragmatist and a reluctant reformer; his history was that of a fairly hard right-winger in the NP, perhaps it was just a time and place thing, if he had been President 10 years earlier than he was would he have initiated the reform process? Plus he sought a democratic mandate to continue the reform process in 1992 (the big vote), is it not possible he was hoping the result would have come out against continuing reform? Is the ANC as corrupt as everyone says? They seem to have a lot of support still, in the townships etc I consider their views pretty stupid but are they corrupt in the way most African rulers are (i.e. stealing from the coffers of gov't)? His history shows otherwise. It's said that while he was young he wasn't really concerned about reform of South Africa and that he only later felt that a reform was needed. My mom told me she remembers his first speech when he became leader of the N.P, she says she can kind of remember him talking about a new democratic South Africa. I don't know, I admire him in a way, but then again you could also be right when you say maybe deep down he was hoping that by ending Apartheid the votes in the election would be in his favor. I do also admire him for what he has to say about the current ANC. Well to me the ANC = racist scum. But they will always have a lot of support, even Nelson Mandela still voted for them In a way I understand why he does cos it was the party that he fought alongside during Apartheid. ---------- Post added 2011-09-12 at 22:30 ---------- It's difficult for me to comprehend how Apartheid coerced and oppressed the Boers by lumping them with other whites. That the ANC is oppressing whites now does not mean that Apartheid can be turned on its head. Like I said, real Boers benefited from Apartheid a lot, else today many wouldn't still sing Die Stem and yes I have seen it with my own eyes how some of them still sing the old anthem. So how oppressed were they really. ---------- Post added 2011-09-12 at 22:33 ---------- Laksmi for President. LOL
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