[topbonusescod]

A while ago there was a discussion on here that sort of pertained to Feminism, and someone told me it would be a good idea to make a thread about it, and I thought it was a good idea. I want to make it long enough and get a good discussion going, please read everything...it took a long time.

I was brought up in a small town in the American New England area. As a kid, boys would hurl dead spiders in my hair and say I had "cooties". They would be the loudest during class and misbehave often. Me and my girls would pick on boys and make fun of them to get attention. We would watch them play in the dirt or get in fights with each other. I was a girl, and they were boys, it was normal to have conflicts like that right? It was normal for us to act different, even at that age and us not having the self-awareness or maturity to make choices and think about our surroundings as we do now, we were able to differentiate between male/female roles. Even if it was partly due to cultural norms for girls to help their mom cook dinner or clean the house and boys to go out with their dad to work. Seems right to pretty much all of us, huh?

Yes, Feminism is like "Revisionist History". It is a backward-justification process.

Feminism's primary assertion is that: "Gender roles are man-made and social."

Feminism does not approach the subject that gender roles have biological prerogatives.

Females aren't as naturally adept at building or working in the field as Males.

What you refer to is the Architect Career and Specialization as a "work skill". Men excel at Architecture, and dominate over females, because of the "biological imperatives" inherent behind the Specialization. For example, in the past, men had to build Castles in which to protect their children, women, and peasants. This is where 'Architecture' truly began…

Women did NOT build castles in order to protect their children, men, and peasants, because they were not 'Lords'/Men. Men did this. And to presume otherwise is a case of Feminism's "Revisionist History".

Most guys probably don't have the patience to stay home for long periods of time taking care of kids (taking them to and from school, helping them with their homework, watching them, etc), cleaning the house and cooking dinner.

You should become aware that Amerika traditionally has been a Patriarchal society. But that is not ALWAYS the case throughout history. Sometimes societies switch between Patriarchy to Matriarchy, or vice versa. I believe that now, due to the liberalization of our society, that we are becoming more & more Matriarchal. This represents a dramatic shift in "thinking" and "attitudes". For example, women are gaining more "social power" in all aspects of society in culture.

In Amerika, there even has become debates that women can become 'Priests' or 'Bishops', etc. This is ludicrous when entertained from a Patriarchal-Social perspective.

The Patriarchy/Matriarchy outlook necessarily is crucial when understanding 'Feminism' and what causes it.

In this modern age, more and more families have both spouses working full-time shifts. I think that's great, both men and women should work and help support a family.

This relatively new, Wicked.

About 80-years-ago, in the 1930s, this was NOT the case at all in Amerikan Society. Men were the "bread-winners" and women stayed-home to raise families. THAT is indication for Patriarchy.

Women entered the workforce as a result of advancing 'Capitalism', World Wars, and "Economic Prosperity". The sacrifice of this, however, has come at the "destruction of the family" ~ the 'death' of "classic gender roles". With both parents working, who "raises" the children???

Answer: The Government and State/Private School Systems do.

Parents literally are not 'Home' to raise children. This causes a degeneration within Family structures. It also alleviates 'Patriarchy' from the 'Fathers' of family, onto "The State". "The State" therein becomes the 'Father' of the country. Central Government becomes stronger and more influential as a result… (can be good or bad, depending on your politickal worldview)

The beauty of it is that they could make their hours flexible.

That really is not true, on a large scale. Most people work jobs that they can find, and conform to the hours of labor that is accessible to them, not the other way around. It WOULD BE very nice for laborers (like me) to pick our schedules, but, that is not the case. I conform to my Employment, not the other way around…

If they had kids that needed to be taken care of, the woman could work more in the morning before the kids came home from school, and less hours than the man to make up for the housework she would have to do. That would be a perfect world, in my opinion. NO NEED for this ultra-feminist bullshit.

Again, Citizenry conforms to Employment and not the other-way around.

But I do agree with you, I actually would like for one parent to remain home during all hours of the day, in order to watch-over children. That simply is not feasible in our disintegrated Economy now. Too many people are out-of-work, and although people can stay home, must now make "economic sacrifices" in order to feed families. The result of this, probably will be, that hours will become less flexible, as men & women, and people with families, become forced-into more "odd-hours" of work, as people are taking any job they can get their hands on now.

I realize that feminism is in part responsible for women being able to work so freely today, and that's great.

Wait a second Wicked… it's "great" that women work?!?!

Are you nuts?? I would MUCH RATHER PREFER to not work than to work. My time is valuable and I love to spend it doing whatever I please. Not working is great, and fun!

You really must love to 'work' a lot.

I see work as 'hard' and 'tedious'. And although there is a benefit to doing so, I particularly am not "happy" to do it. Are kids in sweatshops also "happy" to work, "happy" that they have an "economic opportunity" to do so? No, I think people are happy when they are able to make an economic living from doing something suitable to their personality, and efficient towards their skillsets.

I only work because I need to pay my bills, and for NO other reason.

I work because I have to, not because I want to. You are implying that people work because they want to. Feminism essentially has "tricked" women into believing that working is a "good thing". It is like selling somebody rope to hang themselves with. That is the justification.

So, why is it 'Good' that YOU are forced-into working, when men used to do this FOR YOU?

Many other rights that were handed to us, like the right to vote (even though I don't really care about politics) were awesome. How can I be against that?

Very easily…

Again, what Feminism "hands you" is MORE RESPONSIBILITIES!!! Feminism essentially has convinced women that "more work" is "better". Is it?!?! Better for whom??

Voting is not a 'Right' but a Responsibility! I hope you will understand this.

It is like working… why are you happy that you become FORCED to work??

Men used to do these things FOR women, so why become happy about acquiring Work and Responsibility?? You used to have "Freedom" and lack of "Responsibility" (in Governance, with voting), so why would you become happy about acquiring such?

Women used to live lives focused on raising the family; now a "single-mother" must also work, raise a child, vote, and kill herself with stress to maintain "economic equality". Why? Is it beneficial for her?

There are reasons for this… but we can get into that with further discussion.

Women should be able to go to the same bars as men, hang out with whoever we want in public and have a good time. That's all great. Here's where it gets edgy...

Feminists and Feminism today has many double-standards. I once heard the term "feminazi", and I think that would be a better word to describe most of today's feminists. We have the same rights as human beings as men do, plus a few "special rights", what more do we need?

Better yet, Wicked…

Why do you WANT to work?

Why do you WANT further responsibilities in Governance/Politicks?

For me, I am much more practical & pragmatic. I DON'T want to work; I enjoy to become lazy. My time is very, very valuable to me. You obviously want to spend your time working, raising children, AND governing the system. Why do women want to take all the 'Work', hard work, that men used to do FOR them??

That doesn't make sense to me, are you crazy or something?

You want to WORK when you could have been not working…?

Explain your Rationale.

The problem is, feminists don't just want equality. They want superiority, and to do away with "gender roles". That would really harm society even more.

I agree.

Feminists believe that even though nature/god made men and women different, it shouldn't effect our roles in society in anyway...that we shouldn't be "limited" by our biology. Yeah right. For example, look at the world's top sports leagues. Would women be able to compete in the NHL or other male sports leagues? Hell no. Do you think the average woman would make as good a CEO as the average man? Don't think so. Men and Women are inherently different.

Again, I agree.

Feminists want to 'deny' that men & women have different "biological imperatives" for biological & sexual propagation.

Look at politics, even though there are quite a few good female politicians, the ones that are well-known and open for criticism make us look so bad. Sarah Palin is seen mostly as a sex object, as the mascot of the Republican party. Hillary Clinton is seen as a "mad dyke", an unattractive, grumpy lady. People will always judge females more by their personalities and looks than the views they hold or serious political causes they may try to further. Obama isn't usually ridiculed for his personality or body shape, it's his politics and views that people attack. It's like a woman saying she wants to join her local boxing club or something. I think people just simply have natural biological reactions to people of the two sexes doing different things. I would say Men actually respect and admire feminine women who accept themselves, as opposed to how they view women who try to be men as laughing stalks.

I think so, too. I see that women are trying to "copy" or "emulate" men, when, they really don't need to. Again, why work, when a man can do it for you? Why govern, when men do it for you?

I don't understand. Somebody is willing to do all the hard work (labor) for women, but, Feminists are somehow not content with this.

Then-again, "Feminists" usually are rather 'unattractive' ladies who do not have a great deal of "sexual choices". Maybe there is a correlation between Feminism and that? I mean, for example, if a lady sexually cannot attract men, then she is in deep trouble, isn't she? She would not become able to "find a man" or husband. So, she would become forced into working and making money, for herself…

It happens… but that does not explain the whole notion behind 'Feminism'.

What causes women to become "Feminists" and what does it mean?

Modern feminism in Western countries is unnecessary guys. Feminists often bring up the fact that women have been oppressed throughout history, that's true. But, what should we do now? Take revenge?

Oppressed how?

Men have labored for you, governed for you, fought wars and died for you…

Where is the "oppression"??

Wait, you want to labor (for men), govern (for men), fight wars and die (for men)???

Is that your case here?

Why should today's men be punished for what happened years ago, aren't we just being so utterly hypocritical and taking the sad "haha, we're on top now, it's our turn to oppress you!" stance? If anything, feminists should stop wasting their time and turn their focus to places that really don't have strong woman's rights. There's their chance to prove they they are simply after women's welfare, not to gain an unfair advantage over men.

Sure, guys are bigger and stronger, more "creative" than women in some ways. But, we live longer. We usually don't need to fight in wars.

No no, Wicked, women never need to fight in wars, unless men fail to protect them.

Women usually fight in wars up unto the point where their towns are becoming invaded and all the men/soldiers are already dead.

JackKnight and I, he used to post on AFB, had this exact-same conversation once.

Women overwhelmingly do NOT fight on frontlines in combat. Men have a biological instinct to protect women from doing so. Men unconsciously keep women out of danger in combat. This is the "biological imperative" of men, to protect women (their females), from 'harm'.

Of course there are some seriously wicked crazy things that nature bestowed upon us females. Having periods (I made a post about this before, sorry I was just venting frustration due to an incident), having to give birth and being weaker which would make it easier for someone to take advantage of them. But we also have a bunch of advantages that show over time. We live longer, have less physical diseases over our lifetime and are less prone to mental illnesses.

Another problem with feminism is that they want us to act more like guys. They think that it'll be a perfect world once women start making the same amount of money as men. I don't think that's true. As feminism got stronger, society became weaker and less father-oriented. Why do think we see so many single mothers nowadays? What about the increase in overly-slutty or promiscuous behavior? Girls hooking up with guys without even knowing their name, giving themselves to anyone, trying to do it without remorse, as an average guy would. Girls in flip-flops falling all over people in public like whores. Taking trashy facebook pictures in front of the mirror and in their underwear.

Exactly, this is also a result of what I mentioned earlier:

A transference of Social/Politickal/Cultural power to females, rather than males: Patriarchy-to-Matriarchy.

The Amerikan Empire really is following the EXACT SAME REPETITION of the Roman Empire, right now. The two histories are almost identical in every way.

These types of things happened before in Human History, and repeat. Patriarchies become Matriarchies, and, Matriarchies become Patriarchies. It depends on the situations and ages. Societies usually go through very long processes. And there really is no sense 'fighting' against the process. People just need to learn and adapt. It is like trying to stop the momentum in a locomotive. You really just need to step out of the way or you'll get run over.

Men do have more power, influence, glory, etc than us. But why do men try so hard to get stuff like that? Why don't you see women lining up to become the next great hero?

It's all about: Sex.

Men acquire Power, in order to increase sexual 'potency' in mate-selection.

The more 'Powerful' a male, the more social affluence he has, the more women he has to choose from to successfully mate with.

LET'S USE SOME COMMON SENSE! Men want these things not only for their personal satisfaction or to show off to their friends, they WANT TO IMPRESS WOMEN! That's one of the reasons why you desperately want to have power. Women don't really need these things, in the end. What do we control? You.

Exactly!

I guess that's all for now. Let me know what you think about this.

Well done!