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**Roneyslelry** · 08-11-2011, 06:59 AM

yes i realize that i generalize, but its the only way to make my point about religion not being the reason for nationalism, although it is likely part of it, but had it been solely on religious terms we would not have seen so many states rise in the Balkans as then we would have seen one ore more Christian states build around religion, but that is not what happened, we saw states rise along ethnic lines as with most other european countries....

it would be historical incorrect to say that the Ottoman empire was radically different from the Austro-Hungarian or Russian empires in its treatment of non-dominant ethnic groups..thus you have two empires with their base in Christianity and one in Islam, but the outcome is the same in terms of ethnic tension... i would advice you to study Austro-Hungarian and Russian history of the Balkans, especially pre-WW1 and its involvement in making WW1 happen...

please read some more on the subject if you are to comment on my answer..

as i said you are generalising too much when you have no clue.

Alexander Ypsilantis was elected as the head of the Filiki Eteria in April 1820 and took upon him the task of planning the insurrection. Ypsilantis' intention was to raise all the Christians of the Balkans in rebellion and perhaps force Russia to intervene on their behalf. from Thourios

in east and west, in south and north
for the country lets all have one heart.
in his faith everybody to live free
in the glory of war lets run together.
Bulgarians and albanians, armenians and romans (greeks)
arabs and whites with a common thrust.
for freedom lets yield sword
that we are men to be heard everywhere the ottoman empire was an ISLAMIC empire, the austrohungarian wasn't, and the conditions and situations were different.
you do understand the differences between islam and christianity don't you?

the greek revolution didn't happen because of nationalism, it happed due to "real reasons" that had to do with oppresion, economical, social, political and so on.
simply enought, when you got a muslim who will chop your head off with the first opportunity, if you do make a revolution usualy there are far greater reasons than concepts like nationalism.
also nationalism itself developed after the greek revolution, along with the identity swift.

i do suggest you do read abit before you comment on my answer.

08-11-2011, 06:59 AM	#22
Roneyslelry Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	yes i realize that i generalize, but its the only way to make my point about religion not being the reason for nationalism, although it is likely part of it, but had it been solely on religious terms we would not have seen so many states rise in the Balkans as then we would have seen one ore more Christian states build around religion, but that is not what happened, we saw states rise along ethnic lines as with most other european countries.... it would be historical incorrect to say that the Ottoman empire was radically different from the Austro-Hungarian or Russian empires in its treatment of non-dominant ethnic groups..thus you have two empires with their base in Christianity and one in Islam, but the outcome is the same in terms of ethnic tension... i would advice you to study Austro-Hungarian and Russian history of the Balkans, especially pre-WW1 and its involvement in making WW1 happen... please read some more on the subject if you are to comment on my answer.. as i said you are generalising too much when you have no clue. Alexander Ypsilantis was elected as the head of the Filiki Eteria in April 1820 and took upon him the task of planning the insurrection. Ypsilantis' intention was to raise all the Christians of the Balkans in rebellion and perhaps force Russia to intervene on their behalf. from Thourios in east and west, in south and north for the country lets all have one heart. in his faith everybody to live free in the glory of war lets run together. Bulgarians and albanians, armenians and romans (greeks) arabs and whites with a common thrust. for freedom lets yield sword that we are men to be heard everywhere the ottoman empire was an ISLAMIC empire, the austrohungarian wasn't, and the conditions and situations were different. you do understand the differences between islam and christianity don't you? the greek revolution didn't happen because of nationalism, it happed due to "real reasons" that had to do with oppresion, economical, social, political and so on. simply enought, when you got a muslim who will chop your head off with the first opportunity, if you do make a revolution usualy there are far greater reasons than concepts like nationalism. also nationalism itself developed after the greek revolution, along with the identity swift. i do suggest you do read abit before you comment on my answer.
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