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**DrKirkNoliss** · 08-13-2011, 05:10 AM

Evon, you are playing with words, you are not really answering to my arguements and you started using the off topic card.

i ask you for the third time this simple question
muslim albanophone
vs
christian albanophone

is this an ethnic conflict?

i was merely trying to avert the discussion back to topic from religion (but yes you are partly right), both empires oppressed people for various reasons through history, the Ottomans had more religious diversity in their empire then most, another empire with similar diversity is the Russian empire, but i did not want to topic to go so off topic... if you open another thread on this topic i would be glad to discuss it further...

The 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey (Greek: Η Ανταλλαγή, Turkish: Mübadele) was based upon religious identity, and involved the Greek Orthodox citizens of Turkey and the Muslim citizens of Greece. It was a major compulsory population exchange, or agreed mutual expulsion.

they still used religion as the criteria even if it was 1923 and not 1821.

as i allready said

well, ottoman empire failed not due to the rise of nationalism, but because it was an islamic country based on the exploitation of the christians.
it was the way the empire was and the events that took place which caused the rise of nationalism and not the opposite.

08-13-2011, 05:10 AM	#40
DrKirkNoliss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	Evon, you are playing with words, you are not really answering to my arguements and you started using the off topic card. i ask you for the third time this simple question muslim albanophone vs christian albanophone is this an ethnic conflict? i was merely trying to avert the discussion back to topic from religion (but yes you are partly right), both empires oppressed people for various reasons through history, the Ottomans had more religious diversity in their empire then most, another empire with similar diversity is the Russian empire, but i did not want to topic to go so off topic... if you open another thread on this topic i would be glad to discuss it further... The 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey (Greek: Η Ανταλλαγή, Turkish: Mübadele) was based upon religious identity, and involved the Greek Orthodox citizens of Turkey and the Muslim citizens of Greece. It was a major compulsory population exchange, or agreed mutual expulsion. they still used religion as the criteria even if it was 1923 and not 1821. as i allready said well, ottoman empire failed not due to the rise of nationalism, but because it was an islamic country based on the exploitation of the christians. it was the way the empire was and the events that took place which caused the rise of nationalism and not the opposite.
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