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**ThisIsOK** · 08-12-2011, 08:31 AM

It has very recent appearance in Africa? Buddy R1b has its origins around 20,000 years ago in Western Asia and the next defined mutation of it is in Africa. The gene prospered in Chadic speaking populations and in Western Europe, but is extremely low nearly everywhere else. Even If your baseless, claim was true, are you saying that there was a big genetic contribution from Europeans specifically into "Chadic" people?
R1b in Chadic people and Western Europeans isn't even the same subclade. To put it simply, there were two groups that successfully passed on this gene one being Chadic people and Western Europeans.

Pure Negroids? Really? Meanwhile in 2011....... Did you say Hausas haves features that resemble Eurasians? Natural diveristy is an excuse? Ever head or sexual/natural Selection, you know a big reason why we look the way we do?.

HAUSAS

EURASIANS

The resemblance is.........quite human

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Caucasoid is NOT legit. Anthropology professors and Scholars AVOID IT, because in 2011 we study humans by Population/Genetics/Culture. You want to hold on to a stereotype so baldy because thats all you know. It's.....sad. A continent that people have beeen living on before anyone set foot in Europe needs admixture for diversity?

PLease provide sources. Their lanuage is a Niger-Congo language, their Genetic profile matches that of the people around them WEST AFRICAN/SAHELIANS.
Simple Source
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Fulani.aspx

The Origins of the Fulani Are highly debated and all results Point to a western African Origin, Linguistically/Culturally. Anta Diop Egypt theory is unproven is not a standard it is just his "theory". I am not against An east to west thesis though For SOME of the Origins of FEW of their ancestors as GENETICS has proven. Their Y and Mtdna, Has near 100% West African markers. I'm to attribute All the physical diversity to about 10% Eurasian genes? not their 90% West African Genes, or their West African Language, or sexual selection, which is even culturally observable? To top it al off their 10% Eurasian Admixture is likely passed through other Sahelians/West Africans. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE FROM ANY WHERE ELSE.

wrong again idiot. R1b has an early origin in euroasia yes, but the R in africa is in fact R1b1a and has a much more recent appearance in africa in comparison and it came from cacuasoids, the reason it reaches so high frequencies in a lone populations is obviously because of a founder effect.

Although human Y chromosomes belonging to haplogroup R1b are quite rare in Africa, being found mainly in Asia and Europe, a group of chromosomes within the paragroup R-P25* are found concentrated in the central-western part of the African continent, where they can be detected at frequencies as high as 95%. Phylogenetic evidence and coalescence time estimates suggest that R-P25* chromosomes (or their phylogenetic ancestor) may have been carried to Africa by an Asia-to-Africa back migration in prehistoric times. Here, we describe six new mutations that define the relationships among the African R-P25* Y chromosomes and between these African chromosomes and earlier reported R-P25 Eurasian sub-lineages. The incorporation of these new mutations into a phylogeny of the R1b haplogroup led to the identification of a new clade (R1b1a or R-V88) encompassing all the African R-P25* and about half of the few European/west Asian R-P25* chromosomes. A worldwide phylogeographic analysis of the R1b haplogroup provided strong support to the Asia-to-Africa back-migration hypothesis. The analysis of the distribution of the R-V88 haplogroup in >1800 males from 69 African populations revealed a striking genetic contiguity between the Chadic-speaking peoples from the central Sahel and several other Afroasiatic-speaking groups from North Africa. The R-V88 coalescence time was estimated at 9200–5600 kya, in the early mid Holocene. We suggest that R-V88 is a paternal genetic record of the proposed mid-Holocene migration of proto-Chadic Afroasiatic speakers through the Central Sahara into the Lake Chad Basin, and geomorphological evidence is consistent with this view."

and east africans are without a doubt admixed with caucasoids, you cant use sexual selection and natural variation as an excuse when basically none of the individuals share phenotype, you can find anything from pure negroids to intermediates and clsoe to pure caucasoid phenotypes there, while in comparison when you look at how widespread blue eyes have become in europe despite being recessive, that is a sign of sexual selection. aisans also look similar because of sexual selection and natural adaption, and indians look so different from each other because of the caste system but also because they are a combination of dravidian and indo-aryan (two distinctive caucasoid populations)

also whenever a horner mixes with a euroasian, they end up looking like their euroasian parent, which suggests that the horner parent already has euroasian genes in him/her.

and i havent heard any better theories about the fulani, but we already know for a fact that they have caucasoid/foreign admixture.

http://www.jamtan.com/jamtan/fulani....&linksPage=226

Hassan et al found 54% Y-dna R1b1a (V88) in sudanese fulani. they also ahve y-dna T at notable ammounts, and T is euroasian in origin.

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Who knows they might, might not be called black by them. They certainly look like a people from a sunny area and humid one at that, so that explains the convergent evolution.

[b]

Yo.

Check out the mediterranean and compare it with East Africa aside from the Amhara who are mixed and say they are from Arabia or whatev anyway. Who appears more homogenous, and who more mixed?

And Caucasian Egypt. I would like you to enlighten me on something: what genes from the Middle East are Caucasian or come from the Caucasus (I'm aware some do, so this is a genuine question)? Or was your main point there just looks?

y-dna J, K and T as well as R are euroasian in origin, im also very confident that E originally came from euroasia, although much earlier. and the reason euroasians might look more mixed in that map is because of the higher number of differentiated haplogroups.
and also the fact that that L0-L2 exists in the horn along with A and B, today mixed together along with R,T,J,E who are all descendants from the CDEF-M168 mutation, along with L3 and M1.

because A,B and L0-L2 doesnt exist in euroasia, that suggests that at the time of OOA there must have been 2 differentiated populations, one that stayed behind and eventually evolved into negroids, and one that migrated out from africa and evolved into caucasoids and mongoloids.

and today you can see that autosomally east africans cluster in between euroasians and west africans, and the euroasian lineages of CDEF-M168 and M1 exists alongside A,B and L0-L2 in a mixed population, that strongly suggests taht some population came back and mixed with them because they no longer differentiate between each other.

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ThisIsOK Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 515 Senior Member	It has very recent appearance in Africa? Buddy R1b has its origins around 20,000 years ago in Western Asia and the next defined mutation of it is in Africa. The gene prospered in Chadic speaking populations and in Western Europe, but is extremely low nearly everywhere else. Even If your baseless, claim was true, are you saying that there was a big genetic contribution from Europeans specifically into "Chadic" people? R1b in Chadic people and Western Europeans isn't even the same subclade. To put it simply, there were two groups that successfully passed on this gene one being Chadic people and Western Europeans. Pure Negroids? Really? Meanwhile in 2011....... Did you say Hausas haves features that resemble Eurasians? Natural diveristy is an excuse? Ever head or sexual/natural Selection, you know a big reason why we look the way we do?. HAUSAS EURASIANS The resemblance is.........quite human . Caucasoid is NOT legit. Anthropology professors and Scholars AVOID IT, because in 2011 we study humans by Population/Genetics/Culture. You want to hold on to a stereotype so baldy because thats all you know. It's.....sad. A continent that people have beeen living on before anyone set foot in Europe needs admixture for diversity? PLease provide sources. Their lanuage is a Niger-Congo language, their Genetic profile matches that of the people around them WEST AFRICAN/SAHELIANS. Simple Source http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Fulani.aspx The Origins of the Fulani Are highly debated and all results Point to a western African Origin, Linguistically/Culturally. Anta Diop Egypt theory is unproven is not a standard it is just his "theory". I am not against An east to west thesis though For SOME of the Origins of FEW of their ancestors as GENETICS has proven. Their Y and Mtdna, Has near 100% West African markers. I'm to attribute All the physical diversity to about 10% Eurasian genes? not their 90% West African Genes, or their West African Language, or sexual selection, which is even culturally observable? To top it al off their 10% Eurasian Admixture is likely passed through other Sahelians/West Africans. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE FROM ANY WHERE ELSE. wrong again idiot. R1b has an early origin in euroasia yes, but the R in africa is in fact R1b1a and has a much more recent appearance in africa in comparison and it came from cacuasoids, the reason it reaches so high frequencies in a lone populations is obviously because of a founder effect. Although human Y chromosomes belonging to haplogroup R1b are quite rare in Africa, being found mainly in Asia and Europe, a group of chromosomes within the paragroup R-P25* are found concentrated in the central-western part of the African continent, where they can be detected at frequencies as high as 95%. Phylogenetic evidence and coalescence time estimates suggest that R-P25* chromosomes (or their phylogenetic ancestor) may have been carried to Africa by an Asia-to-Africa back migration in prehistoric times. Here, we describe six new mutations that define the relationships among the African R-P25* Y chromosomes and between these African chromosomes and earlier reported R-P25 Eurasian sub-lineages. The incorporation of these new mutations into a phylogeny of the R1b haplogroup led to the identification of a new clade (R1b1a or R-V88) encompassing all the African R-P25* and about half of the few European/west Asian R-P25* chromosomes. A worldwide phylogeographic analysis of the R1b haplogroup provided strong support to the Asia-to-Africa back-migration hypothesis. The analysis of the distribution of the R-V88 haplogroup in >1800 males from 69 African populations revealed a striking genetic contiguity between the Chadic-speaking peoples from the central Sahel and several other Afroasiatic-speaking groups from North Africa. The R-V88 coalescence time was estimated at 9200–5600 kya, in the early mid Holocene. We suggest that R-V88 is a paternal genetic record of the proposed mid-Holocene migration of proto-Chadic Afroasiatic speakers through the Central Sahara into the Lake Chad Basin, and geomorphological evidence is consistent with this view." and east africans are without a doubt admixed with caucasoids, you cant use sexual selection and natural variation as an excuse when basically none of the individuals share phenotype, you can find anything from pure negroids to intermediates and clsoe to pure caucasoid phenotypes there, while in comparison when you look at how widespread blue eyes have become in europe despite being recessive, that is a sign of sexual selection. aisans also look similar because of sexual selection and natural adaption, and indians look so different from each other because of the caste system but also because they are a combination of dravidian and indo-aryan (two distinctive caucasoid populations) also whenever a horner mixes with a euroasian, they end up looking like their euroasian parent, which suggests that the horner parent already has euroasian genes in him/her. and i havent heard any better theories about the fulani, but we already know for a fact that they have caucasoid/foreign admixture. http://www.jamtan.com/jamtan/fulani....&linksPage=226 Hassan et al found 54% Y-dna R1b1a (V88) in sudanese fulani. they also ahve y-dna T at notable ammounts, and T is euroasian in origin. ---------- Post added 2011-08-12 at 02:41 ---------- Who knows they might, might not be called black by them. They certainly look like a people from a sunny area and humid one at that, so that explains the convergent evolution. [b] Yo. Check out the mediterranean and compare it with East Africa aside from the Amhara who are mixed and say they are from Arabia or whatev anyway. Who appears more homogenous, and who more mixed? And Caucasian Egypt. I would like you to enlighten me on something: what genes from the Middle East are Caucasian or come from the Caucasus (I'm aware some do, so this is a genuine question)? Or was your main point there just looks? y-dna J, K and T as well as R are euroasian in origin, im also very confident that E originally came from euroasia, although much earlier. and the reason euroasians might look more mixed in that map is because of the higher number of differentiated haplogroups. and also the fact that that L0-L2 exists in the horn along with A and B, today mixed together along with R,T,J,E who are all descendants from the CDEF-M168 mutation, along with L3 and M1. because A,B and L0-L2 doesnt exist in euroasia, that suggests that at the time of OOA there must have been 2 differentiated populations, one that stayed behind and eventually evolved into negroids, and one that migrated out from africa and evolved into caucasoids and mongoloids. and today you can see that autosomally east africans cluster in between euroasians and west africans, and the euroasian lineages of CDEF-M168 and M1 exists alongside A,B and L0-L2 in a mixed population, that strongly suggests taht some population came back and mixed with them because they no longer differentiate between each other.
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