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**sasaderesada** · 07-05-2011, 02:28 AM

Its not from a anthropology forum neither lifetime racists meeting, its real-life experience.

I had a talk with a girl from Venezuela couple of days ago and I mentioned to her- in Venezuela you have some American Indian blood, then so you may be partially Indian (she looks quite exotic and I would say metizo, like chavez but she is pretty) I meant it as a compliment,
and she said, to my astonishment "no we dont have indian blood we are spanish, its in Mexico and Puerto Rico they have some but not us". I insisted a bit, partially surprised, partially trying to ensure her that I perceive this blood as something cool and exotic, but she repeatedly said that- none, they have nothing to do with Indians.

A few months ago I talked to one Philipino and he told me that Philippinos are not Asians but Spaniards.It was quite funny, as the guy looks quite typical Philippino.
Both of them dont look like antroforums writers, its just like "streetwise" knowledge, and I started to wonder why they said that. I have to mention that I know lots of foreigners from various parts of the world and never heard that before (however I dont rather ask antro-questions, these were some unique cases).

I wonder what could be the case. I considered that one may be, people from other continents want to feel welcome and at home in Europe and they stress their connections to Europe, which I understand as we all want to feel "part of something" and I would do that (and I do that presently in different way), but what stroke me it was not the admittance of connectiong but exageration. Come on, dont they have mirrors, the girls is visibly Latin-American and the guy is full Asian.

(I could send pic privately if someone wants to see them very much but I dont want to post them here, it would be unfair).

O the other hand I talked to a guy from Bangladesh and I mentioned to him that his language is indo-european and belongs to european family and that he may be closer genetically to me that it seems, and he was quite surprised and seemed to never heard it before.

I thought then about another option- Is it former Spanish colonies which feel this strong ties to Spain then and want to stress this connection?

Third option would be that they believe that it is really the case, that Venezuelans or Philipinnos are descendants of Spaniards not Indians (maybe colonial education was lying about this over centuries and it stayed like this? maybe it was kind of latinisation of them, which remained)and fourth option would be sense of inferiority of local blood ans superiority of spanish blood, which is more widespread than I expected, but I dont really want to believe that.

It doesn't surprises me at all Latin america is full of those complexed self hating people who looking mestizo they say they're full iberain descendants...bullshit!!!!.

Such people just make a fool to the eyes of others, they are seen as the clowns when they face educated or real euro people who cant be cheated easily.

In México we can see these the two sides of the coin: There are blonde/white people who look full iberian and fancy themselves as Aztec descendants and are haters to spain, and also there are mestizo people who fancy themselves as iberians and are haters to indians and other mestizos....

I guess that only happens here at Latin america due to the colonialist complexes: The most amerindian you look the lower in the social status you were worthy.

However during the S.XX there was this indigenist way of thinking and idealization of the amerindian cultures in Mexico and it became sort of "fashionable" (at least to the eyes of the mexican left wing) to boast about indian heritage. Then suddenly the Aztec culture became the "perfection" the "Shangri-la" that was destroyed by the barbarian invaders of Spain and of course "if that had not happened now Mexico and the mexican people would enjoy of a better way of life being the Aztecs so perfect and advanced Mexico would be such".

In most Lat Am coutries it has happened the opposit: They have tried to hide their amerindian roots under "the carpet" or cooped them up in the closet and they fancy themselves as pure euro descendants.

I have met southamericans that justify ther dark skin tone and their "exotic traits" saying they have some gypsy admix, as one argentinian girl that I know. Her Mom is indomestizo looking and girl says that crap of the gypsys: "Es que somos medio gitanos" It is because we are gypsy admixed.... as if somehow rom blood were better that native... poor fucks!!!!

Such people think they cheat on others but they dont realize they are seen just as selfhaters and they dont cheat people such as arminfrench....

Needless to say that not all the Mexicans are indio or aztec descendants and not all the southamericans are pure euro desendants: All latam countries are, in bigger or lesser degree mixed countries.

Lat am is full with very confused people due to the colonial times.

07-05-2011, 02:28 AM	#8
sasaderesada Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 341 Senior Member	Its not from a anthropology forum neither lifetime racists meeting, its real-life experience. I had a talk with a girl from Venezuela couple of days ago and I mentioned to her- in Venezuela you have some American Indian blood, then so you may be partially Indian (she looks quite exotic and I would say metizo, like chavez but she is pretty) I meant it as a compliment, and she said, to my astonishment "no we dont have indian blood we are spanish, its in Mexico and Puerto Rico they have some but not us". I insisted a bit, partially surprised, partially trying to ensure her that I perceive this blood as something cool and exotic, but she repeatedly said that- none, they have nothing to do with Indians. A few months ago I talked to one Philipino and he told me that Philippinos are not Asians but Spaniards.It was quite funny, as the guy looks quite typical Philippino. Both of them dont look like antroforums writers, its just like "streetwise" knowledge, and I started to wonder why they said that. I have to mention that I know lots of foreigners from various parts of the world and never heard that before (however I dont rather ask antro-questions, these were some unique cases). I wonder what could be the case. I considered that one may be, people from other continents want to feel welcome and at home in Europe and they stress their connections to Europe, which I understand as we all want to feel "part of something" and I would do that (and I do that presently in different way), but what stroke me it was not the admittance of connectiong but exageration. Come on, dont they have mirrors, the girls is visibly Latin-American and the guy is full Asian. (I could send pic privately if someone wants to see them very much but I dont want to post them here, it would be unfair). O the other hand I talked to a guy from Bangladesh and I mentioned to him that his language is indo-european and belongs to european family and that he may be closer genetically to me that it seems, and he was quite surprised and seemed to never heard it before. I thought then about another option- Is it former Spanish colonies which feel this strong ties to Spain then and want to stress this connection? Third option would be that they believe that it is really the case, that Venezuelans or Philipinnos are descendants of Spaniards not Indians (maybe colonial education was lying about this over centuries and it stayed like this? maybe it was kind of latinisation of them, which remained)and fourth option would be sense of inferiority of local blood ans superiority of spanish blood, which is more widespread than I expected, but I dont really want to believe that. It doesn't surprises me at all Latin america is full of those complexed self hating people who looking mestizo they say they're full iberain descendants...bullshit!!!!. Such people just make a fool to the eyes of others, they are seen as the clowns when they face educated or real euro people who cant be cheated easily. In México we can see these the two sides of the coin: There are blonde/white people who look full iberian and fancy themselves as Aztec descendants and are haters to spain, and also there are mestizo people who fancy themselves as iberians and are haters to indians and other mestizos.... I guess that only happens here at Latin america due to the colonialist complexes: The most amerindian you look the lower in the social status you were worthy. However during the S.XX there was this indigenist way of thinking and idealization of the amerindian cultures in Mexico and it became sort of "fashionable" (at least to the eyes of the mexican left wing) to boast about indian heritage. Then suddenly the Aztec culture became the "perfection" the "Shangri-la" that was destroyed by the barbarian invaders of Spain and of course "if that had not happened now Mexico and the mexican people would enjoy of a better way of life being the Aztecs so perfect and advanced Mexico would be such". In most Lat Am coutries it has happened the opposit: They have tried to hide their amerindian roots under "the carpet" or cooped them up in the closet and they fancy themselves as pure euro descendants. I have met southamericans that justify ther dark skin tone and their "exotic traits" saying they have some gypsy admix, as one argentinian girl that I know. Her Mom is indomestizo looking and girl says that crap of the gypsys: "Es que somos medio gitanos" It is because we are gypsy admixed.... as if somehow rom blood were better that native... poor fucks!!!! Such people think they cheat on others but they dont realize they are seen just as selfhaters and they dont cheat people such as arminfrench.... Needless to say that not all the Mexicans are indio or aztec descendants and not all the southamericans are pure euro desendants: All latam countries are, in bigger or lesser degree mixed countries. Lat am is full with very confused people due to the colonial times.
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