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**smifatv** · 09-13-2010, 02:41 PM

What you admit here is that being born to a Jewish mother makes one a 'Jew'. So there is a problem to identify this. It cannot be genetic or phenotypical. In fact, the phenotype of the father does not matter at all. A black guy theoretically could have children with a Jewish girl, and the children would be Jewish…

So there is no genetic or phenotypical distinction as a Jewish identity. There can be a common phenotype, yes, but it does not necessarily correlate to the "Jewish identity".

If you are religious, you might ignorantly reject say paternal English ancestry, but if you are not religious you may very well value both sides of the family. If to be Jewish you do not need to have a Jewish father, than ofcourse phenotype has LITTLE correlation at all with what constitutes 'being Jewish'. Really though . . . Phenotype is a poor qualifier for ethnicity anyways. Otherwise their is often a distinctive appearance between someone born to two Jewish parents and non-Jewish parents. The stereotypical appearance varies depending the Jewish communities however. I have to say though, the only Jewish community i can think of who quite resemble their host people are the Yemenite, Bene, Cochim, Ethiopian Jews and some of the Iraqi and Caucasus Jews. Majority others still stand out. Even Turkish Jews often appear different in appearance to both a Spaniard and a Turk. Ashkenazi Jews? We all like to think we can easily recept and pick them out in any crowd.

There is no common genetic attribute to being Jewish? I think there definitly is. Even amaeture people in the genetics biz are easily guessing correctly people of half Jewish ancestry just by analysing their PCA positions. On the PCA global plots i sit perfectly in Italy with many other Ashkenazi/Western European people. If you look at the genome studies on different Jewish groups, you notice they form somewhat of a circle around the Syrians, Lebanese and Jordanians, all pulled away by diluted admixtures with other host populations. (often more ancient) Just my 2 cents. Sorry Dean, couldn't resist. The fact that they diverge closer to one another away from host populations and circle around specific ethnic groups is atleast telling us something.

09-13-2010, 02:41 PM	#13
smifatv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 356 Senior Member	What you admit here is that being born to a Jewish mother makes one a 'Jew'. So there is a problem to identify this. It cannot be genetic or phenotypical. In fact, the phenotype of the father does not matter at all. A black guy theoretically could have children with a Jewish girl, and the children would be Jewish… So there is no genetic or phenotypical distinction as a Jewish identity. There can be a common phenotype, yes, but it does not necessarily correlate to the "Jewish identity". If you are religious, you might ignorantly reject say paternal English ancestry, but if you are not religious you may very well value both sides of the family. If to be Jewish you do not need to have a Jewish father, than ofcourse phenotype has LITTLE correlation at all with what constitutes 'being Jewish'. Really though . . . Phenotype is a poor qualifier for ethnicity anyways. Otherwise their is often a distinctive appearance between someone born to two Jewish parents and non-Jewish parents. The stereotypical appearance varies depending the Jewish communities however. I have to say though, the only Jewish community i can think of who quite resemble their host people are the Yemenite, Bene, Cochim, Ethiopian Jews and some of the Iraqi and Caucasus Jews. Majority others still stand out. Even Turkish Jews often appear different in appearance to both a Spaniard and a Turk. Ashkenazi Jews? We all like to think we can easily recept and pick them out in any crowd. There is no common genetic attribute to being Jewish? I think there definitly is. Even amaeture people in the genetics biz are easily guessing correctly people of half Jewish ancestry just by analysing their PCA positions. On the PCA global plots i sit perfectly in Italy with many other Ashkenazi/Western European people. If you look at the genome studies on different Jewish groups, you notice they form somewhat of a circle around the Syrians, Lebanese and Jordanians, all pulled away by diluted admixtures with other host populations. (often more ancient) Just my 2 cents. Sorry Dean, couldn't resist. The fact that they diverge closer to one another away from host populations and circle around specific ethnic groups is atleast telling us something.
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