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**Unlopssesuj** · 10-20-2010, 02:35 PM

I don't know if haplogroups could be mixed in here, but L and R2 are probably the two strongest candidates for ancient Dravidian speakers that lived in the Indus region, if you go to Southeast India today R2 is very strong there among Telugu populations

I would say that together both Haplogroup L and J2 in southasia go hand in hand as the 2 predominant neolithic markers that traces the agricultural leap from west asia into india. L and J2 are both found in the West Coast and also common in northern india. you can kind of view the two as being the south asian version of what J2 and E1b1b means to southern europe.

today in India R1a1 and R2 go hand in hand and are strong and weak in the same communities and areas..

There is connections between R1a1 and R2 like you said, but there are also major differences. Like R1a1 isn't predominantly frequent in southeast india like R2 is. But especially when looking at the Telugu populations it seems that R2 could even go hand in hand with Y-haplogroup T in the eastern parts of india.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...T_Y-DNA_II.svg

Mesopotamians is a general term for many different groups, I would say pre-Iranian Iran was probably related to the Dravidian speakers, groups such as Elamites and Kassites that lived in modern day Iran before the arrival of Indo-Iranian people from Central Asia were likely very close to the Indus people.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...2/Elam_Map.jpg

The Elamites culture were right next door to THE Sumerians and Archaeologically they were the closest to cultures found near mesopotamia, not the Indus valley. Also there are Linguists who rather criticize the Elamo-Dravidian Hypothesis, yet conclude that Elamites was related to Afroasiatics. This is Not to say that I believe they are right, but it should point out to everyone that even the Elamo-Dravidian connection isn't as completely resolved as many would like.

See I have a problem when people mention haplogroup J2 with Sumerians, the reason for that is because there has been no ancient DNA of Sumerians found, not to mention that the haplogroup diversity within that region today is very great with many different haplogroups.

An interesting study for that would be to test Marsh Arabs, but then again I have a feeling they have a very strong Arab background and we'll end up with J1 mostly.

Also point towards the modern descendants of Elamites in southern iran, as being situated in an area that has to be a heavily J1 influenced area too. But the problem remains that J1 isn't that common inside southern asia.

10-20-2010, 02:35 PM	#26
Unlopssesuj Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	I don't know if haplogroups could be mixed in here, but L and R2 are probably the two strongest candidates for ancient Dravidian speakers that lived in the Indus region, if you go to Southeast India today R2 is very strong there among Telugu populations I would say that together both Haplogroup L and J2 in southasia go hand in hand as the 2 predominant neolithic markers that traces the agricultural leap from west asia into india. L and J2 are both found in the West Coast and also common in northern india. you can kind of view the two as being the south asian version of what J2 and E1b1b means to southern europe. today in India R1a1 and R2 go hand in hand and are strong and weak in the same communities and areas.. There is connections between R1a1 and R2 like you said, but there are also major differences. Like R1a1 isn't predominantly frequent in southeast india like R2 is. But especially when looking at the Telugu populations it seems that R2 could even go hand in hand with Y-haplogroup T in the eastern parts of india. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...T_Y-DNA_II.svg Mesopotamians is a general term for many different groups, I would say pre-Iranian Iran was probably related to the Dravidian speakers, groups such as Elamites and Kassites that lived in modern day Iran before the arrival of Indo-Iranian people from Central Asia were likely very close to the Indus people. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...2/Elam_Map.jpg The Elamites culture were right next door to THE Sumerians and Archaeologically they were the closest to cultures found near mesopotamia, not the Indus valley. Also there are Linguists who rather criticize the Elamo-Dravidian Hypothesis, yet conclude that Elamites was related to Afroasiatics. This is Not to say that I believe they are right, but it should point out to everyone that even the Elamo-Dravidian connection isn't as completely resolved as many would like. See I have a problem when people mention haplogroup J2 with Sumerians, the reason for that is because there has been no ancient DNA of Sumerians found, not to mention that the haplogroup diversity within that region today is very great with many different haplogroups. An interesting study for that would be to test Marsh Arabs, but then again I have a feeling they have a very strong Arab background and we'll end up with J1 mostly. Also point towards the modern descendants of Elamites in southern iran, as being situated in an area that has to be a heavily J1 influenced area too. But the problem remains that J1 isn't that common inside southern asia.
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