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**TeveVikep** · 10-03-2010, 04:11 AM

You can´t enter in public places (airports, subways, schools, offices,banks, stadiums,malls, or driving...) with a mask covering your face and hiding your identity. There´s actually a need for identification in many european countries. A police officer can ask you for your ID in Spain (and he checks that your face is the one that appears in the photo) when he wants. Also your ID is necessary when you pay with credit card or when you enter in some public places like clubs... And again they check your face and your ID photo. It´s not necessary that a female officer has to come to check your face, it´s stupid and backwards. If you don´t feel confortable with it, you can always come back to Pakistan
Do you think police and security cameras are some kind of urban decoration?

Do you think I can go like this to the University or to my office?

What you mention are either private premises or special ones. There are generally speaking no legal grounds for a general ban. A club is not a public place. It is a private premise where the owner can dictate, within certain boundaries, specific demands for admission.

Futhermore the opportunity to hide ones identity is a fundamental democratic right. Take the example of publishers, in a press-context, where the publisher is purposefully held legally accountable for the published material in order to protect the anonymity of the author of the article. This institution was created in order to protect and enable anonymous criticism of the powers that be.

Another example is the freedom of assembly, which, in my opinion, implies the right to anonymity. Imagine that you are participating in a demonstration against taxes (or burqas!) and your employer or teacher or local police officer or neighbor strongly disagrees with your viewpoint. If you did not have the right to disguise yourself in public you could easily be targeted with retaliatory measures - such as loosing your job, get suspended from school, get beaten by the cops or harassed by your neighbors. You do see why disguises would be a good idea in a democratic society?

As for ID, why do we still have photos in them when they take your fingerprints for every EU passport issued? Photos were not considered enough anyway.

Why is it necessary with female gynecologists? Or separate dressing rooms in swimming pools? We could conceivably do without all this superstitious stuff. We could even do without clothing and walk around like savages in the African jungles! All nice and natural - and free from inhibitions! It is the hallmark of a civilized society that one segregates women from men.

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TeveVikep Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 483 Senior Member	You can´t enter in public places (airports, subways, schools, offices,banks, stadiums,malls, or driving...) with a mask covering your face and hiding your identity. There´s actually a need for identification in many european countries. A police officer can ask you for your ID in Spain (and he checks that your face is the one that appears in the photo) when he wants. Also your ID is necessary when you pay with credit card or when you enter in some public places like clubs... And again they check your face and your ID photo. It´s not necessary that a female officer has to come to check your face, it´s stupid and backwards. If you don´t feel confortable with it, you can always come back to Pakistan Do you think police and security cameras are some kind of urban decoration? Do you think I can go like this to the University or to my office? What you mention are either private premises or special ones. There are generally speaking no legal grounds for a general ban. A club is not a public place. It is a private premise where the owner can dictate, within certain boundaries, specific demands for admission. Futhermore the opportunity to hide ones identity is a fundamental democratic right. Take the example of publishers, in a press-context, where the publisher is purposefully held legally accountable for the published material in order to protect the anonymity of the author of the article. This institution was created in order to protect and enable anonymous criticism of the powers that be. Another example is the freedom of assembly, which, in my opinion, implies the right to anonymity. Imagine that you are participating in a demonstration against taxes (or burqas!) and your employer or teacher or local police officer or neighbor strongly disagrees with your viewpoint. If you did not have the right to disguise yourself in public you could easily be targeted with retaliatory measures - such as loosing your job, get suspended from school, get beaten by the cops or harassed by your neighbors. You do see why disguises would be a good idea in a democratic society? As for ID, why do we still have photos in them when they take your fingerprints for every EU passport issued? Photos were not considered enough anyway. Why is it necessary with female gynecologists? Or separate dressing rooms in swimming pools? We could conceivably do without all this superstitious stuff. We could even do without clothing and walk around like savages in the African jungles! All nice and natural - and free from inhibitions! It is the hallmark of a civilized society that one segregates women from men.
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