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**Retapleapse** · 07-30-2007, 04:38 PM

The western leader who first embraced Stalin as an ally was Winston Churchill. Does that imply that WC was insincere in his long opposition to Bolshevism? That he was a neutralist socialist in disguise, who used anti-Bolshevik rhetoric purely to manipulate? Or that he was a pragmatist, who put preserving freedom and capitalism in Britain, which was immediately threatend by Germany far more than by the USSR, ahead of preserving freedom and capitalism in Lithuania?

Now maybe the US was not as threatened during the cold war as UK was during the 1941. There is reasonable debate about that, as well as about the extent of the threat to the UK in 1941. There is also almost certainly a difference between the threat we see, with 20/20 hindsight, and the threat as perceived at the time.

07-30-2007, 04:38 PM	#11
Retapleapse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	The western leader who first embraced Stalin as an ally was Winston Churchill. Does that imply that WC was insincere in his long opposition to Bolshevism? That he was a neutralist socialist in disguise, who used anti-Bolshevik rhetoric purely to manipulate? Or that he was a pragmatist, who put preserving freedom and capitalism in Britain, which was immediately threatend by Germany far more than by the USSR, ahead of preserving freedom and capitalism in Lithuania? Now maybe the US was not as threatened during the cold war as UK was during the 1941. There is reasonable debate about that, as well as about the extent of the threat to the UK in 1941. There is also almost certainly a difference between the threat we see, with 20/20 hindsight, and the threat as perceived at the time.
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