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**Vipvlad** · 06-28-2012, 05:42 AM

Hey all,

Just popping in here, because stalking CF is one my favorite passtimes.

But yes, what CF said is basically how I view it, where energy sensations (vibrations, but visual effects as well) find their origin in the body, which arrive into your awareness or consciousness at the onset of the OBE, or even while already engaged in an OBE environment.

My contention is that they originate from the heart, which sends pressure pulses up the veins throughout the body, which eventually arrive at the brain that interprets them as energy sensations. Vibrations are a more direct representation, but once they arrive at the brain, they can also easily transform into auditory and visual phenomena (i.e. synesthesia).

All of this is sometimes difficult to imagine, but believe it or not, there are diseases of the inner ear relating to vibration where people can actually hear their own eyeballs moving, which of course, is pretty disturbing.

The model also explains why those with quadraplegia are able to experience energy sensations, which ordinary scientific theories cannot really explain (since they always insist on neural pathways for everything).

What you will experience depends primarily on what you focus on during the transition, like for example, attention directed towards (physical) body awareness tends to induce vibrations, while maintaining a purely visual focus leads to energy sensations of a visual nature.

Auditory sensations tend to fall a bit in between these attentional focuses, where attention is more directed towards the head and surrounding area.

But essentially, no matter what format it takes, in terms of its origin, you are sensing the activities in your physical body in an amplified and re-interpreted format travelling through little known pathways.

I suspect you can link it up with a lot of eastern disciplines once we know the most common pathways through which these pressure pulses travel.

A very similar idea has also been proposed by the late physicist and philosophopher Izthak Bentov.

I have not been able to quite catch up on all of his work, but he goes into a lot of detail on how this is physiologically possible. It's fascinating work from the early days of consciousness studies, which is where many of the real treasures are to be found. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itzhak_Bentov)

I suppose it's a "materialistic" explanation on some level, but as CF said, sometimes mind, body and soul do not exist as far apart as we might think.

Ashes (aka Fred)

06-28-2012, 05:42 AM	#10
Vipvlad Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 485 Senior Member	Hey all, Just popping in here, because stalking CF is one my favorite passtimes. But yes, what CF said is basically how I view it, where energy sensations (vibrations, but visual effects as well) find their origin in the body, which arrive into your awareness or consciousness at the onset of the OBE, or even while already engaged in an OBE environment. My contention is that they originate from the heart, which sends pressure pulses up the veins throughout the body, which eventually arrive at the brain that interprets them as energy sensations. Vibrations are a more direct representation, but once they arrive at the brain, they can also easily transform into auditory and visual phenomena (i.e. synesthesia). All of this is sometimes difficult to imagine, but believe it or not, there are diseases of the inner ear relating to vibration where people can actually hear their own eyeballs moving, which of course, is pretty disturbing. The model also explains why those with quadraplegia are able to experience energy sensations, which ordinary scientific theories cannot really explain (since they always insist on neural pathways for everything). What you will experience depends primarily on what you focus on during the transition, like for example, attention directed towards (physical) body awareness tends to induce vibrations, while maintaining a purely visual focus leads to energy sensations of a visual nature. Auditory sensations tend to fall a bit in between these attentional focuses, where attention is more directed towards the head and surrounding area. But essentially, no matter what format it takes, in terms of its origin, you are sensing the activities in your physical body in an amplified and re-interpreted format travelling through little known pathways. I suspect you can link it up with a lot of eastern disciplines once we know the most common pathways through which these pressure pulses travel. A very similar idea has also been proposed by the late physicist and philosophopher Izthak Bentov. I have not been able to quite catch up on all of his work, but he goes into a lot of detail on how this is physiologically possible. It's fascinating work from the early days of consciousness studies, which is where many of the real treasures are to be found. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itzhak_Bentov) I suppose it's a "materialistic" explanation on some level, but as CF said, sometimes mind, body and soul do not exist as far apart as we might think. Ashes (aka Fred)
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