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**ttiokjbnhjjillp** · 02-20-2012, 08:16 PM

Gita as I could GraspIntroduction:
One, to understand the essence of Gita, must realise the following:
That there is only one Supreme Personality of Godhead and that is none other than Sri Krishna.

That we the material entities are part and parcel of Him, co operating with Him to satisfy Him.

That we are materially contaminated.

That we have to act as per His orders so that we could free ourselves from the material contamination and satisfy Him.

That, to act as per His orders, we have to first start chanting His name daily because the referred (Supreme Personality of Godhead) and the referent (His Nama-Name) are one and the same.

There are 5 things viz., Isvara, Jiva, Prakrithi. Time and Karma out of which all the four are Eternal and has no limits except the Karma.

Isvara is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself – the Creator – He has no birth and no death.
Jiva – The Created – he goes through the stages called birth and death – Jiva is Eternal because it is the creation of the Eternal Isvara and His creations are also Eternal. (Unlike Karma)
Prakrithi – The fact that there are numerous and countless creations (Universe) in which His Creations go through the cycle of birth – death – rebirth which has no Beginning and no End.
Time – Another eternal part during which the Prakrithi is driven by the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Karma – This is the action of Jiva which are materially contaminated, thus fails to obey and act as per His orders and thus we feel that we are a different person from God. But this is not true. We are part and parcel of Him and we are just the creations of the Supreme Personality of Godhead created by Him to satisfy him. It is His Leela that He sends his creations to the material world and enjoys its actions in this material world which is also His creation. Good deeds done by the Jiva satisfies the God and takes it closer to the God and Bad deeds take it away from Him. Thus Karma is not eternal.

Thus, based on the balance of Bad minus Good deeds our re-birth in this material world is decided.The Supreme Personality of Godhead tells that whoever chants His name at the time of death reaches unto Him directly and there is no re-birth for him. For that to happen, He tells us to keep chanting His Nama when we are alive so that we will not miss to chant His Nama at the time of death.

To understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one must read the “Bhagavad Gita” with a submissive mind i.e. accepting whatever has been told in the Gita AS IT IS without any of his own doubts or ideas or other interpretations being involved. If at all the reader has some different opinion or tries to question the Gita, he can Never come out of this Material Attachment.

The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the Creator and the Enjoyer of his creations and we are the Enjoyed. The Enjoyed gets contaminated easily by the worldly material things but the Creator and the Enjoyer does not get affected by the material things but just simply Creates and Enjoys.

Shri ganesh sir,

From your above post I find that —

there is only one Supreme Personality of Godhead and that is none other than Sri Krishna
we the material entities are part and parcel of Him, co operating with Him to satisfy Him
to act as per His orders, we have to first start chanting His name daily because the referred (Supreme Personality of Godhead) and the referent (His Nama-Name) are one and the same.

You will thus find that the Supreme Godhead has some part of Him contaminated and that the contaminated parts are not under his control.

In addition, you say that we have to go on chanting His name in order that we act as per His orders; how this will happen has not been explained by you – looks strange, prima facie.

Your grasp of the Gita may be 100% correct from one religious pov or another, I can’t say.

But as a somewhat conservative-minded, advaitin tabra, I tend to believe that Gita was included (some scholarly opinion is that the Gita itself, as also very many verses in it, are later interpolations) mainly to project the Krishna character of Mahabharata, which had been that of just a king who was a relative of the Kurus (by which I refer to both Pandavas and Kauravas) and having a partiality for the Pandavas, and trying to help them in many ways and instances, including some which may not be entirely Dharmic, but, nevertheless, “polished” over and justified by stories of Poorva Janma Karmas, curses and so on and so forth.

Without the BG, Krishna of the rest of M. Bh. is a Machiavellian prince of the Yadava clan, and the Vrishni kula or sect. But, once BG got incorporated into the body of M. Bh., Krishna just soared into the heavens, literally!

According to advaitic beliefs, the Supreme Godhead is residing within each and every living being also; the only difficulty being, it is in a strong Safe Deposit Locker and most people have forgotten the key/password for opening this SDL. So, the advice generally given is to meditate, introspect, search inside one’s own self and find out what it is that makes you alive.

Chanting the God’s name, rituals, rites, routines, etc., are merely like disciplines to help one to succeed in such internal quest.

02-20-2012, 08:16 PM	#2
ttiokjbnhjjillp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Gita as I could GraspIntroduction: One, to understand the essence of Gita, must realise the following: That there is only one Supreme Personality of Godhead and that is none other than Sri Krishna. That we the material entities are part and parcel of Him, co operating with Him to satisfy Him. That we are materially contaminated. That we have to act as per His orders so that we could free ourselves from the material contamination and satisfy Him. That, to act as per His orders, we have to first start chanting His name daily because the referred (Supreme Personality of Godhead) and the referent (His Nama-Name) are one and the same. There are 5 things viz., Isvara, Jiva, Prakrithi. Time and Karma out of which all the four are Eternal and has no limits except the Karma. Isvara is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself – the Creator – He has no birth and no death. Jiva – The Created – he goes through the stages called birth and death – Jiva is Eternal because it is the creation of the Eternal Isvara and His creations are also Eternal. (Unlike Karma) Prakrithi – The fact that there are numerous and countless creations (Universe) in which His Creations go through the cycle of birth – death – rebirth which has no Beginning and no End. Time – Another eternal part during which the Prakrithi is driven by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Karma – This is the action of Jiva which are materially contaminated, thus fails to obey and act as per His orders and thus we feel that we are a different person from God. But this is not true. We are part and parcel of Him and we are just the creations of the Supreme Personality of Godhead created by Him to satisfy him. It is His Leela that He sends his creations to the material world and enjoys its actions in this material world which is also His creation. Good deeds done by the Jiva satisfies the God and takes it closer to the God and Bad deeds take it away from Him. Thus Karma is not eternal. Thus, based on the balance of Bad minus Good deeds our re-birth in this material world is decided.The Supreme Personality of Godhead tells that whoever chants His name at the time of death reaches unto Him directly and there is no re-birth for him. For that to happen, He tells us to keep chanting His Nama when we are alive so that we will not miss to chant His Nama at the time of death. To understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one must read the “Bhagavad Gita” with a submissive mind i.e. accepting whatever has been told in the Gita AS IT IS without any of his own doubts or ideas or other interpretations being involved. If at all the reader has some different opinion or tries to question the Gita, he can Never come out of this Material Attachment. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the Creator and the Enjoyer of his creations and we are the Enjoyed. The Enjoyed gets contaminated easily by the worldly material things but the Creator and the Enjoyer does not get affected by the material things but just simply Creates and Enjoys. Shri ganesh sir, From your above post I find that — there is only one Supreme Personality of Godhead and that is none other than Sri Krishna we the material entities are part and parcel of Him, co operating with Him to satisfy Him to act as per His orders, we have to first start chanting His name daily because the referred (Supreme Personality of Godhead) and the referent (His Nama-Name) are one and the same. You will thus find that the Supreme Godhead has some part of Him contaminated and that the contaminated parts are not under his control. In addition, you say that we have to go on chanting His name in order that we act as per His orders; how this will happen has not been explained by you – looks strange, prima facie. Your grasp of the Gita may be 100% correct from one religious pov or another, I can’t say. But as a somewhat conservative-minded, advaitin tabra, I tend to believe that Gita was included (some scholarly opinion is that the Gita itself, as also very many verses in it, are later interpolations) mainly to project the Krishna character of Mahabharata, which had been that of just a king who was a relative of the Kurus (by which I refer to both Pandavas and Kauravas) and having a partiality for the Pandavas, and trying to help them in many ways and instances, including some which may not be entirely Dharmic, but, nevertheless, “polished” over and justified by stories of Poorva Janma Karmas, curses and so on and so forth. Without the BG, Krishna of the rest of M. Bh. is a Machiavellian prince of the Yadava clan, and the Vrishni kula or sect. But, once BG got incorporated into the body of M. Bh., Krishna just soared into the heavens, literally! According to advaitic beliefs, the Supreme Godhead is residing within each and every living being also; the only difficulty being, it is in a strong Safe Deposit Locker and most people have forgotten the key/password for opening this SDL. So, the advice generally given is to meditate, introspect, search inside one’s own self and find out what it is that makes you alive. Chanting the God’s name, rituals, rites, routines, etc., are merely like disciplines to help one to succeed in such internal quest.
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