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Old 01-30-2012, 06:50 AM   #10
Sawyer

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.... I do not know what you think. .
Raju, here is what I have heard and understood. SVs talk about four states, Salokyam, Sameepyam, Saroopyam and Sayujyam. I am sure you are familiar with what they mean, but for others who may not be aware, these four terms mean, (i) same loka, (ii) proximity, (iii) similarity in form, and (iv) inseparable union.

Some people claim all four states individually mean Sri Vaikuntam which Swami Sri Desikan rejects. Salokyam means one is residing in one of the Vishnu Lokas like Vishnu Lokam, golokam, or Thirupparkadal, not necessarily Sri Vaikuntam. To be sameepyam one has to be in Salokyam and in addition be in close proximity to Sriman Narayana. This can happen in any of the Vishnu lokas, not necessarily in Sri Vaikuntam. To be saroopyam, one has to be sameepyam and have similar -- not same -- form. But Sayujyam, the inseparable union can occur only in Sri Vaikuntam. This is why the unknown author of Jitante Sthotram asks for Sayujyam while rejecting Salokyam, Saroopyam in Shloka 2.36.
मोक्षं सालोक्य-सारूप्यं प्रार्थये न कदाचन ।
इ्च्छमहम महाबाहो साय्ज्यं तव सुव्रत ॥


moksham sAlokyam-sArUpyam prArthayE na kadAcana |
ichChAmyaham mahAbAho sAyujyam tava suvrata ||


Free translation:
I pray not for Salokyam or Sarupyam kind of moksham, but the moksham of Sayujyam is what I desire.

Here, Swami Sri Desikan states the term moksham used for Salokyam, Sameepyam, and Saroopyam is more a upachara (embelishment) to show these states are great too and must not be taken literally. True moksham is to be found only in Sayujyam.

Badda jeevas and prapannas can't enjoy any of these four states as they are in in bhU lokam.

This is my understanding. I may have read you wrong, but I thought you were saying some of these states can be enjoyed even in Bhu Loka which is contrary to my understanding of what these terms mean to SVs. This is why I asked whether your understanding is based on any text.

Cheers!
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