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**rassedgesse** · 11-26-2010, 10:23 PM

Dear all

All the dasavatharams happened to prove the "development of organisms and the societal culture according to that". (Darwin copied the same and got the fame). First is the matsya avathar (the organism which can live only in water, at the time whole world was filled with water), next is Koorma avatar (the world has been splitted into water and land; subsequently the organisms also started to learnt according to the environment. The tortoise can live freely in both). Next is varaha (the boar can live only in land). Next is Narasimha (a wild animal with human impact). Next is Vamana (Short man) Might be the very ancient human beings as we saw them in the earthern pots.

Coming to the story, this vamana brahmachari did not harmed or killed the king at all. He just send the king into the "Padhala loka" and he himself stood as the gate-keeper for his entrance even today according to myths. Though the king was very good in nature, he tortured devas inorder to prove his power. He was also a bit self-boasted fellow and he thought always about his self-power (Balam- hence called "mahabali"), which actually acts as a curtain to meet the god. Inorder to remove all his sins, lord came like this.

Next is, he came as vamana while begging and while getting the alms, he was thrivikrama. What it actually means? This was the first viswaroopa darishanam showed by vishnu.

1. One should not weight the person before you by simply seeing him.
2. One should not give-up even if the problem grows upto the sky. If you think deeply, even at that time, you can find a solution.
3. Before providing the alms, think the background of the person.
4. Obey always your master's advise.
5. Even the god came infront of you and makes you to confuse to fulfill your wordings, you should not give up.

All these things are the lessons from this avatar.

From this avatar, a famous tamil proverb came into existence.

"Kallanai nambinalum kullanai nambadhe" -- this actually means even if you believe shri krishna who always did mischeives we should not believe vamana, who came as a short man and turned to be the thrivikrama and thereby fooled mahabali.

Pranams

Shri Durgadasan,

for those who believe in the infallibility of Vishnu and that all his avatars had bonafide intentions, an elucidation such as the one above is not needed. So, I presume that you have attempted to justify the avataar to the sceptics.

For sceptics, this explanation is not sufficient, I feel. I enumerate them below:

1. If the avatars depict the evolution of life on this planet, why is it that our God did not take any avataar as one-celled organism, amoeba, bacteria, or even the primitive organisms of the ocean? Is it that God or those who wrote the puranas did not know these stages and could identify only fish as the first organisms?

2. From fish to koorma is strictly not correct. The word koorma in Sanskrit means tortoise or sea turtle. Tortoises are land-based while sea turtles are always in the sea. A better example would have been the frog which is real amphibian. May be the rishis who wrote these avataar stories saw a turtle and mistook it as tortoise. Any way the koormaasanam depicts a turtle.

3. The choice of varAham is really intriguing. Since cow ia a sacred animal, mammal, for us, would it not have been better to postulate a cow avatar instead of a pig which is even today looked down upon as unclean?

4. Narasimham has no comparable evolutionary stage, I suppose. Hence, Darwin would not have got fame if he had gone by the avatars story line.

5.You have omitted to explain which stages of evolution the subsequent avatars like Parasurama, Srirama,Krishna, etc., allude to.

By tracing the proverb "kallanai nambinaalum kullanai nambaate", you have classified krishna to be a mere thief. But this proverb could have originated only during or after Krishna's time. How was vamana relevant then? Did people feel that vamana would appear again and cheat some one else?

11-26-2010, 10:23 PM	#20
rassedgesse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 559 Senior Member	Dear all All the dasavatharams happened to prove the "development of organisms and the societal culture according to that". (Darwin copied the same and got the fame). First is the matsya avathar (the organism which can live only in water, at the time whole world was filled with water), next is Koorma avatar (the world has been splitted into water and land; subsequently the organisms also started to learnt according to the environment. The tortoise can live freely in both). Next is varaha (the boar can live only in land). Next is Narasimha (a wild animal with human impact). Next is Vamana (Short man) Might be the very ancient human beings as we saw them in the earthern pots. Coming to the story, this vamana brahmachari did not harmed or killed the king at all. He just send the king into the "Padhala loka" and he himself stood as the gate-keeper for his entrance even today according to myths. Though the king was very good in nature, he tortured devas inorder to prove his power. He was also a bit self-boasted fellow and he thought always about his self-power (Balam- hence called "mahabali"), which actually acts as a curtain to meet the god. Inorder to remove all his sins, lord came like this. Next is, he came as vamana while begging and while getting the alms, he was thrivikrama. What it actually means? This was the first viswaroopa darishanam showed by vishnu. 1. One should not weight the person before you by simply seeing him. 2. One should not give-up even if the problem grows upto the sky. If you think deeply, even at that time, you can find a solution. 3. Before providing the alms, think the background of the person. 4. Obey always your master's advise. 5. Even the god came infront of you and makes you to confuse to fulfill your wordings, you should not give up. All these things are the lessons from this avatar. From this avatar, a famous tamil proverb came into existence. "Kallanai nambinalum kullanai nambadhe" -- this actually means even if you believe shri krishna who always did mischeives we should not believe vamana, who came as a short man and turned to be the thrivikrama and thereby fooled mahabali. Pranams Shri Durgadasan, for those who believe in the infallibility of Vishnu and that all his avatars had bonafide intentions, an elucidation such as the one above is not needed. So, I presume that you have attempted to justify the avataar to the sceptics. For sceptics, this explanation is not sufficient, I feel. I enumerate them below: 1. If the avatars depict the evolution of life on this planet, why is it that our God did not take any avataar as one-celled organism, amoeba, bacteria, or even the primitive organisms of the ocean? Is it that God or those who wrote the puranas did not know these stages and could identify only fish as the first organisms? 2. From fish to koorma is strictly not correct. The word koorma in Sanskrit means tortoise or sea turtle. Tortoises are land-based while sea turtles are always in the sea. A better example would have been the frog which is real amphibian. May be the rishis who wrote these avataar stories saw a turtle and mistook it as tortoise. Any way the koormaasanam depicts a turtle. 3. The choice of varAham is really intriguing. Since cow ia a sacred animal, mammal, for us, would it not have been better to postulate a cow avatar instead of a pig which is even today looked down upon as unclean? 4. Narasimham has no comparable evolutionary stage, I suppose. Hence, Darwin would not have got fame if he had gone by the avatars story line. 5.You have omitted to explain which stages of evolution the subsequent avatars like Parasurama, Srirama,Krishna, etc., allude to. By tracing the proverb "kallanai nambinaalum kullanai nambaate", you have classified krishna to be a mere thief. But this proverb could have originated only during or after Krishna's time. How was vamana relevant then? Did people feel that vamana would appear again and cheat some one else?
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