[Grainiary]

I ask that question because my younger brother loves play games like the Pirates, the cowboy who kill the natives , Viking .... nothing wrong with that , all kids loves play those kind of games , but I notice the fact to glamourize those criminals is not only own to children, but many adults loves do that .

For example I never understood why Viking reccently are consider as respectable persons, because they were mostly thieves and rapist who had ransacked and plunder the Europe .
Same for the Pirates who used to make massacre in the caraïbes , are consider cool by the average peoples .

Most of Cowboy were basic farmers, but the fact they killed the natives were romanticed by Hollywood films .


Also Hooligans, Chavs subculture who are based on violence and delinquicy are consider cool by many peoples .



It's a very weird paradox

[nryFBa9i]

Vikings (a tiny minority ofScandinavian raiders) were not the only pirates of their age, other peoples of northern Europe, also, were raiders. Osselians, Frisians, Karelians, Wends, etc, are just a few, and many negative propaganda were made ​​against and about them during this period.

[jhfsdhf]

Vikings (a tiny minority ofScandinavian raiders) were not the only pirates of their age, other peoples of northern Europe, also, were raiders. Osselians, Frisians, Karelians, Wends, etc, are just a few, and many negative propaganda were made ​​against and about them during this period.

The subject is not who they were . The subject of the thread is why the society romantised those peoples who were just criminels .

[craditc]

The subject is not who they were . The subject of the thread is why the society romantised those peoples who were just criminels .

Since when were "vikings" a homogeneous group, dimwit? Please read a history book before writing nonsense.

Norsemen/Vikings took part in several battles (many in a defensive way against brutal Franks), both as a standing army on their own and as mercenaries/regular troops in other armies. What you are talking about is the glorification/ anti-glorification view of them which is popular today, which isn't any better than the Catholic/Christian view of horned vikings.

Not only does it totally dismiss the Vikings, it also dismiss trade routs, colonization, mercenaries, their cultural impact, political ties (especially between today's Denmark and England/Northern France) etc. Ironically it only focus on the bloody parts such as pirates, pillage etc, than into the geopolitics and its historical consequence that it had for the region.

[bWxNFI3c]

The subject is not who they were . The subject of the thread is why the society romantised those peoples who were just criminels .

Your understanding of the nature of archaic European society is way off base. You're misjudging men who lived in a tribal, heoric, conflict-based society where social standing and status was very often measured by brave deeds in combat, loot carried off, etc. Vikings weren't criminals anymore than, say, the men in the Iliad who plundered cities (Achilles, anti-hero of the Iliad, is famous for sacking and plundering multiple cities around Troy)- that was the nature of their society just as it was the nature of the Amerindian tribes, African tribes, etc. who performed the same sorts of activities for fame and glory (rustling livestock, raiding rival tribes, carrying off loot/women, etc.).

With the Vikings it was the same sort of lifestyle that the earlier, Continental Germanic and Celtic tribes engaged in (albeit they had boats). Before the Vikings were plundering Christian Europe the tribal Germanics and Celtics were plundering Greek and Roman Europe.

[Loolasant]

Since when were "vikings" a homogeneous group? Please read a history book before writing nonsense.

Wow . I never said they were an unique ethnic groups , currently anybody know , viking is a Pars pro toto name gives to the different raiders of this period who came from Northern europe . So you're aggressivity is not justify .

[EvonsRorgon]

I could say that the French colonial empire was lovely and romantic (without mass rapes, and genocide of fine and civilized monkeys), and it was. No surprise as blacks and North Africans in Paris loves the French.

[soryalomop]

Them barbaric vikings are one of the main reasons OP has a Nordic pehnotype.

[seekfrieddy]

I could say that the French colonial empire was lovely and romantic (without mass rapes, and genocide of fine and civilized monkeys), and it was. No surprise as blacks and North Africans in Paris loves the French.

French colonialism is not romantised here . We consider it was a mistakes , and it's teach it was a mistakes . So that nothing to do in this thread .

Also why do you makes irony about the north africans and the blacks in Paris ? If you talks about the ones who made the riots, those ones were criminals and were a minority in those population . Also they was ethnic french who had participated in those riots too .

[9wQlZkIj]

Also Hooligans, Chavs subculture who are based on violence and delinquicy are consider cool by many peoples .


It's a very weird paradox

Today also black criminal are somehow idolized, they even invented a musical genre out of it (gangsta rap).
I think it's a human weakness to glamourize the "villains".
It happens, no big deal after all...
sometimes a villain with an adventurous life is seen as cooler than the usual boring guy who follow the rule, has a white colalr job, a normal family...
you know.

[indocrew]

Today also black criminal are somehow idolized, they even invented a musical genre out of it (gangsta rap).
I think it's a human weakness to glamourize the "villains".
It happens, no big deal after all...
sometimes a villain with an adventurous life is seen as cooler than the usual boring guy who follow the rule, has a white colalr job, a normal family...
you know.

It's exactly that

[glazgoR@]

French colonialism is not romantised here . We consider it was a mistakes , and it's teach it was a mistakes . So that nothing to do in this thread .

Not that the Dutch were saints - we have committed huge atrocities in Indonesia for example, but considering the situation of poverty and genocide that is the Haiti and many countries in Africa as Guinea and Ivory Coast today; you Frenchmen were the worst colonial genocides that left deep marks even after centuries.

Compare the French Antilles with those Dutch and English, the French are doing worse in terms of social structure. Haiti is a disaster.

[Bounce]

Obviously these legends its all a pile of crap and one big hypocrysy, especially in the world dominated by anti-immigrant rhetoric.

The truth is, all those Vikings, Romans, Saxons and whoever, were goin into places which was not theirs and taking things which did not belong to them. On side of that they often murdered locals, In my book its called invasion and theft. burlglary or robbery and finally murder.

I understand people going into new places, seeking opportunities, but you knock at the door and say 'good morning', while those would rather welcome you with an axe in your forehead.

[AblemTee]

Not that the Dutch were saints - we have committed huge atrocities in Indonesia for example, but considering the situation of poverty and genocide that is the Haiti and many countries in Africa as Guinea and Ivory Coast today; you Frenchmen were the worst colonial genocides that left deep marks even after centuries.

Why are you talked about that in that thread ? That have nothing to do with the subject .

Compare the French Antilles with those Dutch and English, the French are doing worse in terms of social structure. Haiti is a disaster.

In fact french aren't to blame for Haiti . If you know history , you will know Haiti is like it's because , they made their own secession .

And African former french colonies are the most prosperous compared to the english ones . For example countries of North-africa, Gabon ...

The worst during the colony times were the Belgians, looks what the attrocities they had made to the congolese population

[THOUTHCAW]

Obviously these legends its all a pile of crap and one big hypocrysy, especially in the world dominated by anti-immigrant rhetoric.

The truth is, all those Vikings, Romans, Saxons and whoever, were goin into places which was not theirs and taking things which did not belong to them. On side of that they often murdered locals, In my book its called invasion and theft. burlglary or robbery and finally murder.

I understand people going into new places, seeking opportunities, but you knock at the door and say 'good morning', while those would rather welcome you with an axe in your forehead.

The truth is is that it's been going on since before recorded history began and it'll go on for as long as human history lasts. The big guy pushing the little guy around and stealing his lands and possessions is a universal factor in the world and the big guy isn't always white, despite what leftards want us to believe as to who the main evildoer in the world is.

[Nopayof]

The truth is is that it's been going on since before recorded history began and it'll go on for as long as human history lasts. The big guy pushing the little guy around and stealing his lands and possessions is a universal factor in the world and the big guy isn't always white, despite what leftards want us to believe as to who the main evildoer in the world is.

Obviously, its not about who is better, cause noone is better, but about in which cases it is called 'bad' and 'good'.

[traithJah]

Obviously, its not about who is better, cause noone is better, but about in which cases it is called 'bad' and 'good'.

Or which side is more organized, has the better weapons, better military strategy & tactics, etc.

[Angeheade]

Or which side is more organized, has the better weapons, better military strategy & tactics, etc.

it is practical aspect. If I go now outside and attack an old pensioner and take her handbag, I will be 'better' but not 'better'. This is what I meant.

[Xavier_Spinner_Wheels]

First of all, calling the Vikings criminals is utterly ridiculous as it assumes the existence of some kind of timeless, eternal and universal law code implemented and sanctioned through out the world and the ages. Secondly, the Vikings only did what every single people in this world has been doing in some form with the difference perhaps being in that the Vikings were particularly good at doing it. The fact that the Vikings have earned themselves a respected place in history is because they were a fierce, proud and awesome people strong enough to do as they liked, and whether or not what they did was right or wrong by our modern Western moral standards, their basic attributes that are mentioned above are in fact sexy and appealing to the human mind as they are Alpha-male qualities. Strength and dominance are always respected.

The truth is, all those Vikings, Romans, Saxons and whoever, were goin into places which was not theirs and taking things which did not belong to them. On side of that they often murdered locals, In my book its called invasion and theft. burlglary or robbery and finally murder.

I understand people going into new places, seeking opportunities, but you knock at the door and say 'good morning', while those would rather welcome you with an axe in your forehead.

So in all your judgementalness I suppose you also think all non-Polish Slavs have no moral right to the lands they are currently inhabiting and should return to the marshes in South Eastern Poland?

[Baromaro]

So in all your judgementalness I suppose you also think all non-Polish Slavs have no moral right to the lands they are currently inhabiting and should return to the marshes in South Eastern Poland?

I am not judgemental. I dont 'blame' them, I am saying that we shoulld not glorify some deeds. It is human nature, universal, but its not good (according to some moral codexes, according to some its ok).

Non-Polish Slavs? whos that? I think that if they found a land andf it was empty its ok, but if they killed off locals, they are not better than anyone else.