[Frannypaync]

Interesting information about Turks in Europe:

The immigrants consist almost exclusively of rural folk, most of whom had never lived in a town for any extended period of time prior to emigrating. What is more, these people had never co-existed with a European culture or language before emigrating since, unlike the other countries of emigration in the Muslim world, Turkey was never colonised. In the host countries these peasants-turned-workers tend to settle in clusters according to their localities of origin. To the extent possible, people from the same village or the members of a family will settle close to each other. So, one quarter of the Turkish immigrants over 18 who live in Belgium was born in Afyon Province. There is a similar concentration of Turks from notably Karaman Province in the Netherlands. The Turks living in Sweden come primarily from Kulu (Konya Province), while 60% of Denmark's Turkish immigrants come from the Kurdish areas of South-east Anatolia. Family ties (akrabalık) and regional ties (hemserilik) are still just as strong. The community lifestyle and resulting social control are still largely intact among Turkish immigrants. The traditional family hierarchy is reproduced as well to a great extent, notably through marriages in the native villages. These alliances can be interpreted as a partial but constant renewal of the first generation of immigrants.

[art_fan_12]

Not typical of Turks to be atheists. Which parts of Turkey are they from or where did you meet them? yes they are,many turks i know are atheistic too,i guess from the towns,while in villages they are more muslim

[ycMC0PLg]

Here most people relate Turks with Kebap establishments, but most of these establishments even the called "Turk Kebap" are run by Pakistanis and other ethnic groups that have nothing to do with Turks, and then people think that Turks are a kind of multi-ethnicity who including Moors, South Asians or even Blacks.

[imporesweemo]

Here most people relate Turks with Kebap establishments, but most of these establishments even the called "Turk Kebap" are run by Pakistanis and other ethnic groups that have nothing to do with Turks, and then people think that Turks are a kind of multi-ethnicity who including Moors, South Asians or even Blacks.

Yes, well Kebab is traditional food for Turkey, so anybody with a kebab joint automatically gets related to Turkey, however, i think after they taste "Pakistani kebab" they realise, it isn't Turkish

[b91ZmxzX]

Yes, well Kebab is traditional food for Turkey, so anybody with a kebab joint automatically gets related to Turkey, however, i think after they taste "Pakistani kebab" they realise, it isn't Turkish

This is the kebab given here by all, Turks and Pakistanis:

[houkbsdov]

Doner Kebab, yes, but Pakistanis put lots of spices in it. Turks don't.

[Hokimjers]

arabic kebab is the best

[Borrinas]

arabic kebab is the best

There's rumours from friends I have in Sweden and Germany they put semen in this when they are selling to the local people.

[gugqgbyzlp]

60% of Denmark's Turkish immigrants come from the Kurdish areas of South-east Anatolia[/B].

that is probably why Denmark is so against immigration. I wouldn't blame them. Among Kurdish people crime is very high.

[yasalaioqe]

There's rumours from friends I have in Sweden and Germany they put semen in this when they are selling to the local people.

hahaha wow,now you made it easier for me to avoid it..forever

[29clepayJainync]

There's rumours from friends I have in Sweden and Germany they put semen in this when they are selling to the local people.

i heard it was mcDonalds doing that ..

[Byxtysaaqwuz]

it think ,living in europe for a Turk needs to have a patience of the Prophet..

I have to agree with that, but again hatred and prejudice feed hatred in return. I usually just dismiss negative comments about Turkish/Ottoman history by telling them I'm not the Ambassador to Turkey and if it were up to me, I sure would like a different, better world. There's no easier way to shut someone up in a pointless conversation than stop feeding them.



ps. A lot of Turkish immigrants in Europe, particularly Germany are from the Black Sea and Eastern Turkey. Black Sea people are a bit hot-headed and impatient, and there's quite a bit of patriotism, especially because in Turkey they are made fun of and treated like not pure Turkish ("Russian sperm"). It's kind of funny but I can see some people getting all worked up about these jokes. Many people from the Black Sea would say they are 100% Turkish and desperately prove their Turkish lineage (Cepni, Kipchak..etc.) when people ask why they have blond hair and blue eyes.

[tattcasetle]

@emile

From what I have seen racism amongst Turks is rare. Jokes yes, but nobody is going t be discriminated because he/she has blue eyes or blond hair. In fact they admire it.

[Ceakicknunk]

Turkish people may not be racist in the sense that they want to eliminate all those that are not Turkish, but they can be very ignorant as well. I have had people from Turkey telling me seriously they would prefer not to have black or Arab roommates. These are college-educated people too. Here's another example, the word "Durzu" (aka Druze), "Abaza" (aka Abkhaz) or "Gavur" (meaning foreign) are used as insults. I'm sure there countless more of these. There's little tolerance in Turkey for anyone who is not or does not clearly identify with being a Turk.

[RooldpalApata]

Turkish people may not be racist in the sense that they want to eliminate all those that are not Turkish, but they can be very ignorant as well. I have had people from Turkey telling me seriously they would prefer not to have black or Arab roommates. These are college-educated people too. Here's another example, the word "Durzu" (aka Druze), "Abaza" (aka Abkhaz) or "Gavur" (meaning foreign) are used as insults. I'm sure there countless more of these. There's little tolerance in Turkey for anyone who is not or does not clearly identify with being a Turk.

Tell me a nation who is not like that? I guess they only tell their preference. people can have a preference who they like as a roommate. And I don't know why you feel the need to sum up those derogative words. Every nation has those kind of words. By the way are you turkish?

[Tinasblue]

Turkish people may not be racist in the sense that they want to eliminate all those that are not Turkish, but they can be very ignorant as well. I have had people from Turkey telling me seriously they would prefer not to have black or Arab roommates. These are college-educated people too. Here's another example, the word "Durzu" (aka Druze), "Abaza" (aka Abkhaz) or "Gavur" (meaning foreign) are used as insults. I'm sure there countless more of these. There's little tolerance in Turkey for anyone who is not or does not clearly identify with being a Turk.

Very true.

The level of ignorance in Turkey is amazingly high.

Gavur is one word a member here also uses, sadly.

[tmobmobfil]

I don't think it is that bad. Europeans that come to vacation to Turkey have the best time of their lives. I heard it many times from their own mouth.

[Dvjkefdw]

I don't think it is that bad. Europeans that come to vacation to Turkey have the best time of their lives. I heard it many times from their own mouth.

but just the average Turk in Germany is a peasant who never visited a town before coming to Europe

[xanaxnewtrader]

I don't think it is that bad. Europeans that come to vacation to Turkey have the best time of their lives. I heard it many times from their own mouth.

They don't have holidays in Ankara and Eskisehir, they have it in Bodrum and Antalya, there aren't any Turks in those holiday resorts, its 90% Kurdish. Just the owners are Turks.
Regardless of that, Turks are ignorant when it comes to non Turks. For example: Gavurs(Christians) are dirty. Why? because they eat pig.
I have heard this statement from a ultra modern looking Turkish woman in her 60s

[sDePrx59]

They don't have holidays in Ankara and Eskisehir, they have it in Bodrum and Antalya, there aren't any Turks in those holiday resorts, its 90% Kurdish. Just the owners are Turks.
Regardless of that, Turks are ignorant when it comes to non Turks. For example: Gavurs(Christians) are dirty. Why? because they eat pig.
I have heard this statement from a ultra modern looking Turkish woman in her 60s

what ? 90% is kurdish in holiday areas? That is definately not true.

You say Turks are ignorant when it come down to this and that.

What is ignorant is that you make a generalization about all Turks. You don't know all Turks and you don't have a good reasoning for it. Gavur is just another word for wog. I don't see anything out of the ordinary here.

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