[Senasivar]

Roma Gypsies

The meaning of "Arya" is noble, used by Indo-Iranian peoples in the Iranian Plateau and the Indian Subcontinent. The original source of the word was in religious scriptures and was used in a religious context (Zoroastrianism and Hinduism). The nobility of the Indo-Iranian world have always used the word to refer to themselves, because they considered themselves noble. I seriously doubt the gypsies are considered as a noble people anywhere. There are gypsies in countries like Iran and their reputation isn't better there in comparison with Europe, they don't have higher status there either.

[MgpojuWy]

Actually in that one study it was Slovakia and Hungary that had the highest yields, Poland and Russia were closely behind.

You're refering to Neolithic mtDNA N1a. That didn't have anything directly to do with Indo-Europeans.

Also, mtDNA isn't all that important since we're discussing migrations of mostly and sometimes only men. However, if you must know, one particular N1a haplotype found in one of the Andronovo proto-Scythians had modern matches in Poland.

[chinesemedicine]

The meaning of "Arya" is noble, used by Indo-Iranian peoples in the Iranian Plateau and the Indian Subcontinent. The original source of the word was in religious scriptures and was used in a religious context (Zoroastrianism and Hinduism). The nobility of the Indo-Iranian world have always used the word to refer to themselves, because they considered themselves noble. I seriously doubt the gypsies are considered as a noble people anywhere. There are gypsies in countries like Iran and their reputation isn't better there in comparison with Europe, they don't have higher status there either.

Gypsies could be considered noble because they never commited genocide like europeans or enslaved other races, you see the meaning is subjective it depends on your view. In all over the world there are gypsy populations and they are called gypsies because they have in common that they are lowest of class, migrant or such, but they are not racially related, in india there are several gypsy tribes, but who are not the same race, there are asian gypsies who are called sea gypsies, and there are white gypsies/irish travellers.

[DailyRingtone]

Gypsies could be considered noble because they never commited genocide like europeans or enslaved other races, you see the meaning is subjective it depends on your view. In all over the world there are gypsy populations and they are called gypsies because they have in common that they are lowest of class, migrant or such, but they are not racially related, in india there are several gypsy tribes, but who are not the same race, there are asian gypsies who are called sea gypsies, and there are white gypsies/irish travellers.

You do have a point there. That they aren't all definatively related. Its worthy of mentioning that the Lambadis of the South stick out from pariahs almost as much as the Brahmins.

[ladleliDypenue]

Aryans? lol, wut? Depends who's who and what do you understand by that silly term. Aryans as the Aryans (Arjowie/Ariowie/Aryjczycy) are most likely people who are descendants of ancient tribe of Aryans (if some of them still exist). So-called term "Aryan" is also a synonym to the IE speakers. But if by "Aryans" you mean who's super duper IE and stuff, the I'd go for North-Central/North-Eastern and South-Eastern Europeans (not all of them obviously, as there's realy hard to find realy 100% homogeneus place/nation), plus some of Western Eurasians.

[DenisMoor]

//Doesn't belong to high-brow section, move to Mordor.

[Relsenlilky]

//Doesn't belong to high-brow section, move to Mordor.

This thread is meant to be serious and aims to look at ethnic groups based on a self-designation term. And you are chucking it away into waste.

[verizon]

Their is no Aryan race its myth. Their was no Aryans and no Semites, their just linguistic groups. Even the person who coined the term retracted his statements. Max Muller.

The term goes to the Indians, Afghans, and Iranians.

Aryan race what joke

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Gypsies could be considered noble because they never commited genocide like europeans or enslaved other races, you see the meaning is subjective it depends on your view. In all over the world there are gypsy populations and they are called gypsies because they have in common that they are lowest of class, migrant or such, but they are not racially related, in india there are several gypsy tribes, but who are not the same race, there are asian gypsies who are called sea gypsies, and there are white gypsies/irish travellers.

The Irish Gypsies have some Roma admixture although it has been outbred.

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Any hot girl is Aryan to me. Aryan means hot girls

[LoohornePharp]

//Doesn't belong to high-brow section, move to Mordor.

This is not really a Mordor thread, although the subject may be silly for some, it should be allowed to discuss which ethnic groups are Aryan. The intention of the thread starter was not to troll other members or anything. Mordor is for flame war topics and derailed threads. I see no problem here. Moved to ethnicity, race and nation.

//mod

[Abofedrorobox]

Yima, the first man and progenitor of the human race, being advised by Ahura Mazda, built a vara, a walled enclosure in the far north, to hold there the best and fairest of men, animals and plants to preserve them from a great and terrible winter so that he could repeople the world at the end.

"Thither thou shalt bring the seeds of men and women, of the greatest, best, and finest kinds on this earth; thither thou shalt bring the seeds of every kind of cattle, of the greatest, best, and finest kinds on this earth.
...
There shall be no humpbacked, none bulged forward there; no impotent, no lunatic; no poverty, no lying; no meanness, no jealousy; no decayed tooth, no leprous to be confined, nor any of the brands wherewith Angra Mainyu stamps the bodies of mortals."

"That Vara he sealed up with the golden ring, and he made a door, and a window self-shining within.
O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! What lights are there to give light in the Vara which Yima made?
Ahura Mazda answered: ‘There are uncreated lights and created lights. There the stars, the moon, and the sun are only once (a year) seen to rise and set, and a year seems only as a day."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/zor/sbe04/sbe0408.htm

[Fosavoa]

Aryan, anyone that wants to be.

[ycMC0PLg]

Their is no Aryan race its myth. Their was no Aryans and no Semites, their just linguistic groups. Even the person who coined the term retracted his statements. Max Muller.

The term goes to the Indians, Afghans, and Iranians.

Aryan race what joke

Any hot girl is Aryan to me. Aryan means hot girls

This is a free speech forum, so anyone is allowed to express their opinions freely. So yours is welcome as well.

But you are an Arabid mutt, anti-racialist - that is someone who doesn't believe in race - and gets emotionally upset with European racial awareness. So obviously the word Aryan, hurts you badly.

Aryans were a people. Their descendants moved to the British Isles and created Eireland and in Western China they were known as Tocharians.

When someone is offended by someone else, the thing that they would do to hit them worst is to take the most precious thing from them.

[Dwencejed]

This is a free speech forum, so anyone is allowed to express their opinions freely. So yours is welcome as well.

Damn straight!

Aryans were a people. Their descendants moved to the British Isles and created Eireland and in Western China they were known as Tocharians.

Is there an actual etymological connection between these terms? I've heard of Eire before as some sort of connection to Aryan, but Tocharian in this context was a new one. What did the Tocharian call themselves in their native IE-language?

[jeargefef]

What did the Tocharian call themselves in their native IE-language?

Couldn't find anything on it. Turks referred to them as twqry, so they may have called themselves Twakaryas or something.

[WFSdZuP3]

What did the Tocharian call themselves in their native IE-language?

"Tocharian" is from greek Tokharoi. What they called themself is not certain, but kuśiññe (Tocharian B; modernized: Kuchean) and ārśi (Tocharian A) has been suggested by Mallory. Adams suggest they called themself ākñi.

[Cajlwdvx]

"Tocharian" is from greek Tokharoi. What they called themself is not certain, but kuśiññe (Tocharian B; modernized: Kuchean) and ārśi (Tocharian A) has been suggested by Mallory. Adams suggest they called themself ākñi.

Yes Tocharian A were called different names by different people. Sanskrit people called them Tusharas, Tukharas, Tokharas and Tuharas.

Tokharoi(Greek)/Tukhara(Vedic)/Twaqary(Turkic). Adds up doesn't it?

When outsiders called them something closely related to Tocharian, its more credible than what Douglas Q. Adams hypothesized. Akni means "borderers" or "marchers". Sounds more like a term used for phalanx than what the actual people as a whole referred to themselves doesn't it?

[ketNavatutt]

Aryan overlords.

[GWRIeEQp]

Yes Tocharian A were called different names by different people.

Tocharian A is a modern interpretation of a possible dialect based on written sources...

Adds up doesn't it? Doesn't have anything to do with "aryan" so no it doesn't add up.

When outsiders called them something closely related to Tocharian, its more credible than what Douglas Q. Adams hypothesized. I am terrible sorry, lets not get into things you do not know anything about, I've told you both back on AF and here.

[Beedcardabeme]

the ones who spoke Sanskrit language.

[VIAGRA-]

Gregor Schlierenzauer is Aryan