Who is an Aryan?
 

Ignoring language and religion. This poll focuses more on ethnic affiliation and not individual mentality or behaviour. Some believe race is only a prerequisite to being Aryan and whether one is conferred the honorary status of being Aryan is determined upon his/her intelligence, behaviour and racial awareness.

But this is not about that, let's define Aryan-ness based upon racial background.

Weddids.

Ask uncle Adolf

All Europeans, why? Because were better than you! http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wink.gif

The early true Aryans were North European by race and East European by genetics. The living people closest to them are North Slavs.

How the hell is that possible ?

By God's will.

I dunno how you define Aryan in the first place. I consider myself Aryan http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/laugh.gif (in the sense of being a descendant/successor of the IndoEuropeans), and the only people i feel kinship with are Europeans (all - northern, eastern, southern). I guess there are some relatively European looking people in India (not too much, but still), but culturally India is alien to me. We may have the same ancestry (in terms of Aryan culture in India), but now we differ too much.

Iranians, Indians, Afghans...They have called themselves aryan millennia ago and not since some linguistic discoveries of the XIX century.

Aryans to me are the people living around the Black sea, particularly the delta regions to the north of it, who lived several thousand years ago, roughly the same time the channel in the Bosporus opened up and caused water to pour from the Mediterranean sea.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...ckSeaFlood.jpg

The response to this event was a massive migration of Indo-Europeans in all directions.

Indo-iranians. From Greater Iran to Northern India, where the word originates and where the ancestor of those peoples first used the word - Âryâ. Who can come and deny them what they have always called themselves, thousands of years before the Europeans loaned the word?


European supremacists have used the word in recent times, but for them it doesn't have the same meaning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan


Ancient Iranians used the term Aryan to describe their lineage and their language. Darius the Great, King of Persia (521 - 486 BC), in an inscription in Naqsh-e-Rostam (near Shiraz in Iran), proclaims: "I am Darius the great King... A Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage...". The name Iran is a modern cognate of Aryan meaning the Land of Aryans. The term has become a term of art in the Hindu, Buddhist, Jain and Zoroastrian religions.

The Aryan tribes in the Indian subcontinent called their land Arya varta or Aryan expanse / Aryan land. When the ancient Persians lived in the Inner Asian Steppes and moved south into today's Iran, they named the place Airyanem Vaejah, or The Iranian Expanse, and today the word survives as Iran. Many present day Iranian boy and girl names reflect this ancient relation: names like Aryana, Iran-dokht (Aryan Daughter), Arayn, Aryan-Pur, Aryaramne, ... http://www.haryana-online.com/people/aryans.htm

I think I've identified one of the first people who used the word, or what seems like its ancestral form... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/tongue.gif

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/Scythian.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p217/dpwes/Tuva.gif

And we can conclude he wasn't from Poland and wasn't Polish, nor is his descendentants (highly likely) ... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wink.gif

By the way, much research about these things is very biased. All research doesn't have to be correct.

Tuva is located in Russia (Siberia!):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuva

So I'm not surprised ths guy was blond. You can find blondes in the Indian subcontinent today too if you want ...

Ehehehe...

The assignment method was performed from only the allelic frequencies of the seven STR loci considered in the consensus genotype. The probability of observing an individual with the Kizil skeleton STR profile was the highest in the two eastern European populations (Russia and Poland). Indeed, the likelihood that the Kizil skeleton STR profile occurred in these two populations was 10 times higher than in other European populations, 100 times higher than in eastern Asian populations, and about 100,000 times higher than in Indian populations.

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We conclude that our analysis of genetic data obtained from a skeleton recovered in a Scytho-Siberian kurgan (2500 years old) links this ancient skeleton to several European populations that live in the neighboring region of Central Asia and shows that the Scytho-Siberian population contained a European component (Voevoda et al. 2000; Clisson et al. 2002).


Ricaut, Francois-X et al., Genetic Analysis of a Scytho-Siberian Skeleton and Its Implications for Ancient Central Asian Migrations, Human Biology - Volume 76, Number 1, February 2004, pp. 109-125, DOI: 10.1353/hub.2004.0025

Nord-Indids by definition are Aryan for sure.
As I mentioned before

• they follow an Indo-European religion

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• speak an Indo-European language and are

• by features Caucasoid/Europid and by DNA are West Eurasian by genes. Father Genes ~ R1a,R2,J2 Y-DNA and the NW ones being West Eurasian maternally as well but the Southern ones having local mother admixture.

So my vote goes to High Caste Hindus[Also Sikhs and Parsees].

• Pakistanis are Aryan by their racial type i.e Nord-Indid but not by religion.

• Average Pashtuns are Iranid-Nord Indid i.e Irano-Afghans so they get 1 and a 1/2 out of 3

http://chandrakantha.com/articles/in...Raj_Kapoor.jpghttp://schemaroot.org/region/asia/so...rlal_nehru.jpghttp://i46.tinypic.com/2nu615g.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/f9pd07.jpg

There is an entire blonde belt from Pashtun inhabited regions of South Afghanistan - NWFP Pakistan to the Hindukush to Kashmir(Indian/Pakistan). Throughout Pakistan you can even find blondes among the Balochis, Sindhis and Punjabis.

People used to mock at those who assert that there are a visible number of blondes/redheads in Afghanistan/North Pakistan/Kashmir. But with the Western soldiers now occupying parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan, the truth is finally undeniable. Its now all over the news and video hosting/viral sites. Videos of flaxen blonde/red haired people are proof.

Flaxen blonde/red hair are extremely rare outside Kashmir in India but sandy-dirty blonde and light brunettes can be met among certain ethnic groups elsewhere. For the whole North West dark chesnut brunettes are present for even Shudras.

Here an ashy blonde Gujjar woman, undeniably "Indian" looking.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/4...8442408bc3.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/prabhatjourno/405816063/

Ethnically speaking, I don't think everyone from Iran and India are Aryans simply because they speaking Aryan-derived languages. The term Aryan is inflated in those regions; many non-Aryan natives who shifted language to Persian and Sanskrit can't be considered Aryans in the ethnic genealogical sense. I've seen a huge variety in phenotypes with Iranians. I consider the following, Aryans:

1) Ethnic Persians who are relatively Mediterranoid, European or white in phenotype. These are a minority today, but they still exist in Iran.
2) Nord-Indid and relatively preserved (racially, phenotypically) Indians of typically northern Indian stock.

Kurds, for example, are for the most part a non-Aryan group with some minor Aryan component. Likewise, many Iranians from Khūzestān are by default, non-Aryan. Speaking an Indo-Iranian/Indo-Aryan language doesn't automatically make you Aryan.

As for Europeans, East Europeans are probably the closest (in Fst-distance) to the original Aryans who invaded Iran and India. But Europeans are not Aryans.

I think Freddie Mercury was a good phenotypical example of the Aryan component in India. Though swarthy, he looked more European than Middle Eastern.

Actually in that one study it was Slovakia and Hungary that had the highest yields, Poland and Russia were closely behind.

It would be obvious the Indo-European speaking Scythians share similarities with Eastern Europeans in some aspects, since IE speakers came from Eastern Europe.

BTW How different were the Sarmatians genetically from the Scythians? I know the Scythians were the predecessors of the Sarmatians, but Sarmatians had a change in genetics due to assimilation most likely.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/44d0b45c.jpg

How the hell are some users able to vote more than once?!
And some users voted one for all the choices .. how PC ..

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