[Yswxomvy]

This is one of these questions that have been on my mind for quite some time. After looking at the history of germanic tribes, it seems that have been in every part of Europe for some time more than the slavs, celts, and romans have been to. I need your input and I have a similar that I want to post later on. The germanics have been also killing people and displacing them too. This is something that I am really curious about.

[ClorrerVeks]

it seems that have been in every part of Europe for some time more than the slavs, celts, and romans have been to.

Do you know how long the Roman Empire lasted?

[Lgcjqxlw]

Well all the European Royalty at least, does.

[Eltabaco]

All Europeans? As in everyone? No, most certainly not. Though a variable number of individuals in any given European ethnicity are likely to have it, yes, but it's not going to be statistically significant. If it even exists at all in groups like the Komi or Udmurts, then it's barely worth mentioning.

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

I think Albanians, Cypriots, Sardinians and some swiss germans have not.

[ziIReIGS]

I would imagine the Sardinians and Basques as genetic isolates would not.

[dubballey]

Every Latvian definitely has something German in them. Romans never got till the Baltic people.

[usaguedriedax]

Every Latvian definitely has something German in them. Romans never got till the Baltic people.

No, romans not. But medvial germans as well Skandinavians. Just remember the Hanse.

Also Latvia is pretty close to the ancient homelands of the Germanics.

[Abaronos]

No, romans not. But medvial germans as well Skandinavians. Just remember the Hanse.

Also Latvia is pretty close to the ancient homelands of the Germanics.

That's what I'm talking about.
I didn't mentioned Scandinavians so that I wouldn't have to start to fight with some Finnic forumbiodiversity members.


p.s. Scandinavians even build settlements here when they traveled from their homelands to Byzantine. They used river Daugava to do that.

[Civilrecordzz]

One of signs of Germanic influence is Germanic loanwords.

Germanic loanwords you can find in Baltic, Slavic, Baltic-Finnic and many other European languages. But not in Volga-Finnic or Perm-Finnic languages, so German influence is not there.

[vdw4Epsi]

Yes most Europeans have Germanic blood by now (unfortunately) but it is relatively insignificant in southern Europe.

[RussellPG]

Define "relatively insignificant".

T'is true the biggest genetic divide in Europe is not West East (as is it with male-Y-Haps) but South-North.

This is one of these questions that have been on my mind for quite some time. After looking at the history of germanic tribes, it seems that have been in every part of Europe for some time more than the slavs, celts, and romans have been to. I need your input and I have a similar that I want to post later on. The germanics have been also killing people and displacing them too. This is something that I am really curious about.

I've not "that much" knowledge in detail on the Germanics and what they did, but they did go to the Celtic Isles (majorly in Britain, not sure on Ireland & Scotland, but Ireland was under severe English aka significantly Anglo-Saxon rapages for like over 800 years), Iberia, I think France, probably Switzerland, and Northern Italy I'd imagine.

In terms of more Eastern Europe since Germany (approximately where most of Rome's "Germanics" lived) is relatively North Eastern this wouldn't change much IMO as during the Ice age when huge glaciers displaced much of North Europe's population they are usually portrayed as having moved to the South when the North became uninhabitable before spreading back up Noth. And the Nordic, general Northern & Scandinavian ancestry in general thing goes for all Europe in general, really, and so could obscure the issue for folks' eyeballing people as "Germanic" which is why language is used I guess.

As far as rape and being grotesque, I'm not sure, I think I've heard of a fue rituals maybe, but I've heard of some dirty and really depraved / insane / scary sounding activities, habits and customs people like Celts, Scythians (West-ish / South Russia), maybe Slavs and others used to do.

On the other hand though, wow the Greco-Romans were talking, at least as far as Rome goes which was way less humble and *way* more unruly than Greece, I would say I read of them (/ or maybe it was Latin speaking peoples after Rome's fall -- can't remember) being murderous and doing sexually grotesque / depraved shit in Iberia, perhaps in its conquest or colonization or something, but I forget what.

I'm not sure any one region is better off than the other here, although, I actually like circa-Germany Europe or rather find it ok.

One group I left out though other than Iberian (but they have their share too, and it's rather obvious) is Gaul or French, which I've heard / seen little about other than maybe an Arabic source or two on something about hygene. However after all this, then there's the story of punishment for public enemies and "heretics" in the Xtian era ...

Oh, you know what, and there's the South East / Greece and Asia minor (if you really count Asia Minor), and the literature expressing a taste for, large in scale sale & trade of ....

[joe-salton]

Define "Germanic blood" and how you measure it? In what units?

If we talk about genetics, there's simply no Germanic genetic marker.
Anyway, ethnicity of most western European nations is obscure, except maybe in Scandinavia, all others are unidentified degenerate mud.

[JacksHH]

Yes most Europeans have Germanic blood by now (unfortunately) but it is relatively insignificant in southern Europe.

Unfortunately?

Germanic blood is a great thing. We smexy, do you not agree?

[enurihent]

There's no such thing as Germanic blood. Germanic is a cultural and linguistic term, it has nothing to do with blood, especially as some people have changed from Celtic or Slavic to Germanic culture at an early stage, so the Germanic blood could just as well be Celtic. Or none of the above. You could say "Vandal blood", since that is a specific people, who may have had "other blood" than some of the other Germanic speaking peoples. Vandals could have been of Slavic origin, but with a Germanic language, for example. It's in fact not known, and nobody can claim anything with certainty.

[Kiariitf]

I probably also have some wog ball Roman ancestors.

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One of signs of Germanic influence is Germanic loanwords.

Germanic loanwords you can find in Baltic, Slavic, Baltic-Finnic and many other European languages. But not in Volga-Finnic or Perm-Finnic languages, so German influence is not there.

Interesting. The only Slavic words in Germanic tongues I can think of are 'grens'/'Grenze' (granica) and the very recently introduced 'robot' (robota). I guess there are more, but there aren't many Slavic in continental Germanic languages. Vice versa there is indeed a whole lot.

Of course, you also have the Yiddish language, which was mainly spoken in a Slavic environment. In that language you can use nuances between Slavic and Germanic equivalents, much like you can in English with Latin and Germanic words.

[Carfanate]

There's no such thing as Germanic blood. Germanic is a cultural and linguistic term, it has nothing to do with blood, especially as some people have changed from Celtic or Slavic to Germanic culture at an early stage, so the Germanic blood could just as well be Celtic. Or none of the above. You could say "Vandal blood", since that is a specific people, who may have had "other blood" than some of the other Germanic speaking peoples. Vandals could have been of Slavic origin, but with a Germanic language, for example. It's in fact not known, and nobody can claim anything with certainty.

Germanic sounds much better than using "People from Northern/Western Europe", though.

[Narus63]

No there are more slavic words in local german dialects: pischeln(to drink), Quark(fresh cheese), Penunzen(money), Botten(shoes), schlapp(weak), Plauze(belly), Plinse (bliny), Wodka, Trabant (Satelite) ect.

Some polish words like "kurwa" or "kurwa jega match" are also understood almost everywhere

[sigrekatonov]

No there are more slavic words in local german dialects: pischeln(to drink), Quark(fresh cheese), Penunzen(money), Botten(shoes), schlapp(weak), Plauze(belly), Plinse (bliny), Wodka, Trabant (Satelite) ect.

Some polish words like "kurwa" or "kurwa jega match" are also understood almost everywhere

I don't count wodka along because it's a drink made from fermented potatoes, grains, etc... No language I know of translates it as 'Wässerchen'/'watertje'. It's just a highly successful Slavic export product.

The ones I have highlighted are also Dutch words, namely 'kwark' (fresh cheese) and 'slap' (weak). In Belgium we say 'plattekaas' though, kwark is used in the Netherlands.

Interestingly 'botten' in Southern Dutch (in Belgium and in NL Limburg, maybe also North Brabant) means 'boots' and comes from the French 'bottes'. In general Dutch you also have bottines (low-boots worn by women). In Belgium we also say bottinnen (because it's less perceived as a loanword here than in the Netherlands). Those are not Slavic words in our case. The French 'botte' is of unknown origin. It's a coincidence that the Slavic 'homophone' also is used to denote some kind of footwear.

[Prarnenoexpog]

I know that there were Germans that migrated to Russia, and they were the craftsmen for mechanical machines like clocks and toys. I don't know when these migrations occured though.