[TeNuaTe]

The thing is that light skin Dominicans are mistaken for other nationalities, for example if you see me in the streets you would probably think that I'm Cuban or PR and I bet that's what you think when you see light skin Dominicans. I've been to parties in Jersey and most Dominicans were light skin.

A large chunk of non-caribbean latinos from my experience stereotype dominicans as looking "black" (looking black, NOT beign black), even if light skinned dominicans are everywhere around them.

A friend of mine for example from a dominican point of view, is a VERY stereotypical NYC dominican, everything from his facial appearance, his hairstyle, his style, his vibe etc. but since he's a light triracial, I've heard many non-dominicans say he's too light to be dominican. Although many of the boricuas I know remark about he looks very stereotypically domincian.

As for Dominicans in NJ, my dad's family lives in Perth Amboy and dominicans there seem to be only a little bit lighter than those in NYC, I wouldn't say they are all light triracials. The most common look is still brown triracials

[AlbrtJhnsqw]

A large chunk of non-caribbean latinos from my experience stereotype dominicans as looking "black" (looking black, NOT beign black), even if light skinned dominicans are everywhere around them.

A friend of mine for example from a dominican point of view, is a VERY stereotypical dominican, everything from his facial appearance, his hairstyle, his style, his vibe etc. but since he's a light triracial, I've heard many non-dominicans say he's too light to be dominican. Although many of the boricuas I know remark about he looks very stereotypically domincian.

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One of the rare posts which reflect non-anthroforum reality. I've seen this phenomenon and its interesting how some can have such a strict stereotypical perception despite having tons of real life evidence to the contrary. I was just called Ecuadorian (form the coast)by some recently arrived Ecuadorian women. No normal person with 20/20 vision would confuse me for one, but I've seen alot of recently arrived or kind of sheltered (don't get out much) South Americans have these perceptions. Usually Americanized ones and/or those who grow up around us (someone like Colombian DJ Alex Sensation) have a way better perception.
I was also at a lounge where tons of cocktail waitresses are Dominican, but the bar owner at first thought they were wall Arab, Colombian or Ecuadorian. Just like he thought I was Arab. Yet I'll get a Colombian girl walk into my job and immediately guess me for DR. Folks, I assure you I am not making these stories up.
On the flip side, you'll get some black Costa Rican, who speaks nothing like a Caribbean, speaking sibilant with all 'ssssss', and you'll get some people who think he's Dominican (ignoring everything else), it goes both ways.
Then you have recently arrived Colombians who think we're all 'islenos', almost like an extension of their Caribbean coast people, and can't tell us apart.

[VIAGRAENLINOBARATOCAMPRAR]

There was a time when I used to think Latino was a race and not a cultural meaning. Before I realized this I often associated looking Amerindian and metiszo with being "Latino" because most of the Latinos I was around were from Mexico and Central America. And whenever I would watch a telenovela I would even say, "none of these people are real latinos." Mind you I was only a kid. I didn't know better. I have noticed people often associate Amerindian/metiszo features with being "Spanish" or "Latin" without even realizing those features are actually not "Spanish". Often times I hear many Native Americans say they get mistaken for "Latino".

Latin Americans vary, depending on where you are in the Americas. "Latino", unless we're referring to European Romance speakers, is meaningless. "Hispanic" is also meaningless, unless we are referring to actual Iberians.

Your question reminds me of this: http://www.vdare.com/misc/100310_krejsa.htm

[occalmnab]

Most Dominicans in the New York City area are between this range. David Ortiz types are very rare honestly. The darker morenos tend to look like stereotypical dark Dominicans.

As for the Dominicans in NJ, from my personal experience they tend to be lighter than the ones in New York City. I guess this is because many come from central cibao (northern-central Dominican Republic).

[zlopikanikanz]

White people to the United States are also called saxon however not all of them are of such ethnic origin, however for the means of this example lets call white americans saxons.

Well we could name all americans as saxons however a black american and an asian american wouldn't be saxons, they are african americans and asian americans right?.

Most white people in Mexico and Southamerica are "latins", and just as the previous example of white americans called saxons not all of them(mexico and southamerica) belong to such european ethnic origin, there are also whites from germany, france, russia, italy, etc, as well as there are amerindian, indomestizo, mestizo, black, mulatto and some other many mixtures.

Why you guys insist on nameing all of them as latin -latino- if the latino is a southeuropean ethnicity????. Your keeping on naming mestizo and amerindians "latinos" is just as wrong as if all north americans were called saxons, even the black and the asianamericans.

Mexican is not a race is a nationallity, Northamerican is also not a race is a nationallity.....capicci?.

[Tauntenue]

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One of the rare posts which reflect non-anthroforum reality. I've seen this phenomenon and its interesting how some can have such a strict stereotypical perception despite having tons of real life evidence to the contrary. I was just called Ecuadorian (form the coast)by some recently arrived Ecuadorian women. No normal person with 20/20 vision would confuse me for one, but I've seen alot of recently arrived or kind of sheltered (don't get out much) South Americans have these perceptions. Usually Americanized ones and/or those who grow up around us (someone like Colombian DJ Alex Sensation) have a way better perception.
I was also at a lounge where tons of cocktail waitresses are Dominican, but the bar owner at first thought they were wall Arab, Colombian or Ecuadorian. Just like he thought I was Arab. Yet I'll get a Colombian girl walk into my job and immediately guess me for DR. Folks, I assure you I am not making these stories up.
On the flip side, you'll get some black Costa Rican, who speaks nothing like a Caribbean, speaking sibilant with all 'ssssss', and you'll get some people who think he's Dominican (ignoring everything else), it goes both ways.
Then you have recently arrived Colombians who think we're all 'islenos', almost like an extension of their Caribbean coast people, and can't tell us apart.

Quite a few non-dominicans think that it's a "given" that dominicans look 'black', because we share a border with haiti. I've even heard some attribute the african features that dominicans have to haitian ancestry, and assume most dominicans have haitian ancestry.

I don't know if the majority of non-dominicans think this way, but from my experience it's not so uncommon for some including other hispanics to tease dominicans about sharing a border with Haiti. They don't necessarily think we look like Haitians, but the vibe I get is that some people think we're just some "spin-off" nationality, this false perspective of the DR definitely isn't something restricted to forums.

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And before anyone gets the wrong idea, the teasing is very innocent, it's the same way some tease puerto ricans for not having their own country, mexicans because of illegal immigration etc. Dominicans aren't significantly looked down upon compared to other ethnic groups

[TodeImmabbedo]

This.

[SarkisPioute]

And before anyone gets the wrong idea, the teasing is very innocent, it's the same way some tease puerto ricans for not having their own country, mexicans because of illegal immigration etc. Dominicans aren't significantly looked down upon compared to other ethnic groups

Yeah, it's very infuriating, considering that we have more time on this island than them, given the fact that the majority of them descend from african slaves brought to the island on the 1780's, the exception being the very few of the elite which descend from the original french buccaneers that usurped the western side from the spanish crown in the 1660's.

[Qynvtlur]

This.

Looks like a gay Brazilian I know.

[Jffxljtw]

The David Ortiz are not very common. I see a fair share of everything. Too diverse for me to say, "Oh Domi's in the BX look a certain way". Alfieb, I think that you choose to see a light skin Triracial as a PR all the time, which may explain how all you see are David Ortiz type. Alot Dominicans and PR's overlap. So some of these lighter skin caribenos may actually be Dominican.

[truck]

Oh boy, here we go on the "running away from Haiti and denying dark skinned people" trip....

[Agehoobionibe]

We're not denying anything, it's just bothersome that people think that all of us look like David Ortiz when in fact Dominicans that look like him are a minority. Heck I run into more Juan Luis Guerra types than David Ortiz types.

[hopertveyk]

Oh boy, here we go on the "running away from Haiti and denying dark skinned people" trip....

These threads always turn into a Haitian/Dominican shitfest.

[RayFairhurst]

What the hell is wrong with this bitch? There are dark skinned Dominicans of course, but the vast majority don't look like David Ortiz. Typified dark skinned Dominicans are Adrian Beltre, Sammy Sosa, Venya Carolina, Jose Reyes, El Jeffrey, Luis Castillo, Zoe Saldana, Joseito Mateo, Al Hartford, etc. That was the point here.

[johnteriz]

From my experience living in Jersey, we are not necesarily lighter, me for example, i know some Samanese in Newark, other Macorisanos, Santiagueros, Capitalenyos, Puertoplatenses. When im in washington heights there is almost no difference. Now where i see some light skin DOminicnas atleast in pictures is conneticut, but here in NJ, atleast in the union city/northbergen/jersey city area, Dominicans range alot, some are even of Cocolo descente i know 3 of cocolo descent in these areas. There are mostly cibaenyos here, but there is no light predominance, i have met a fmaily for example of very light almost eurocuban looking Cibaenyos from Santiago, but i have also met very light southerners from Bani, all in the vicinity of my neighborhoods. While right across the street where dark Dominicans from Haina + La Vega, a Dark skinned Cibaenyo from Santiago was my barber. It ranges alot, its almost unpredictable here in a sense. But maybe some citie's have lighter Dominicans, itsh ard to see the pattern as Dominicans dont really divide themselves by colors. But yeah jersey is definetly not lighter, only place i would say is maybe conneticut but i havent been there to say. I know some dark Dominicans from San pedro around here too, and quite a few Zambo SanJuaneros and francomacorisanos, also i know a family from Moca that has very light blue eyes around here, mostly euro looking but some of the kids have tight hair.

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I would say David Ortiz is only uncommon cause he has a wide face, most darker Dominicans here tend to have thinner faces.

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Checkout this video of Dominican in Moca, some of them are Zambo, some are very indegenous looking, specially the older lady and some more euro-triracial.

[AllAdobeOEMSoftDownload]

Oh boy, here we go on the "running away from Haiti and denying dark skinned people" trip....

What's new from these "People?"

[ambientambien]

Oh boy, here we go on the "running away from Haiti and denying dark skinned people" trip....

That's funny because most Dominican threads, while they are heavily trolled (with comments such as these) or derailed, usually have little to do with Haitians. Someone was making a point about people's perception of our nation due to its proximity to Haiti. So really, your comment is irrelevant (and so was your idiotic post in the David Ortiz thread).

These threads always turn into a Haitian/Dominican shitfest.

Nope, but they do get trolled heavily.

[chujwduperjadzi]

Oh boy, here we go on the "running away from Haiti and denying dark skinned people" trip....

There is no need for anyone to be 'running away from Haiti' because we're not Haitian. Feel free to point out where anyone mentions or even implies anything remotely related to denying 'dark skinned people' . (broad and ambiguous term, but useful for black idealogues like you).
This is starting to be a predictable pattern with you: You eagerly inject your whole black-centric axe to grind commentary whenever you think an opportunity arises. Haiti merely serves as a conveniently useful platform.

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That's funny because most Dominican threads, while they are heavily trolled (with comments such as these) or derailed, usually have little to do with Haitians. Someone was making a point about people's perception of our nation due to its proximity to Haiti. So really, your comment is irrelevant (and so was your idiotic post in the David Ortiz thread).

Exactly. There are no Haitians derailing these thread, I called it out on my reply to Alfieb, I knew we had undercover fans who wouldn't be able to resist the opportunity to troll.
Alot of whats discussed here on Anthroforums have more to do with poster(s) own warped racial/racialist idealogy than pure facts and scholarly interest.
You have pics of various Domincian posters from different DR regions, you have their DNA results, you have a ton of thread showing crowd shots of every corner of DR, and you have unbiased online public discussions exploring every component of our ancestry. And still some seek to makeup bs in order to troll. Kind of similar to whenever Southern European phenotype, ancestry and/or genetics are being discussed you'll get a random comment talking about 'ancient mulattos' or 'trying to distance themselves from darker people, Africans, etc.' or the ever popular 'trying to get closer to whitness/Nordics'. Usually done by the same crowd: Afrocentrics and black-centric idealogues. Really this speaks volumes about them and whatever complexes fuel their agendas.

[bs44MhUW]

It seems that there're people in USA who don't like to be denominated 'latino' or 'spanish'.
Do they have alternative denominations? Or only 'we are not!!!"

I think there're better names for what is known as 'latino' or 'spanish' in teh USA, and these names must include the part 'american'.

....-american or american-....

[Adamanta]

A Mestiza/Castiza or someone of substantial (at least 40% or more) African ancestry with apparent Native influence.