[QUOTE=Pulaar;782356] @Pulaar

I guess he is talking from a Mexican perspective, and lets be brutally honest there are way more native descent people in Mexican than the United States, I am not taking sides here, but a observation from both countries and i presently live in the United States and been to Mexico on many occasions. You have to search hard and wide to find a person that looks native or near native in United States and i am not talking about the south west, but you won't have such difficulty in Mexico.

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From a CIA website.

Ethnic groups:

mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 60%, Amerindian or predominantly Amerindian 30%, white 9%, other 1%

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/mx.html

website above

As far as Latin American being less racist than the United States, well that is debatable.

Just do a 23&me test and you will find it.

[QUOTE=Mister G;782363] South Americas seem more like colonies, male population left women and family behind to make a buck and send it back home I think that why they took Native wives kinda like the Brits and their colonies.
US was more an elimination thing they moved with entire families systematically liquidated the natives and made it their home might explain why there intermarried less with native Indians. the term "the only good Indian is a dead one" captures the ethos

They were diluted into the population.The average Dominican is 8% Native American.

Sorry if i wasnt clear i was speaking mostly of Taino and Arawak people of the Caribbean

[QUOTE=mr simon;782387] Exactly, because outside the western states Arizona, New mexico, California, you rarely see people or individuals that look what most people may consider native americans, when i lived in long island new york i know of one group that considered themselves native american, and many(not all) definitely Afam admixed.

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I hear you and I agree but 8% tho compared to what it used to be. The language, culture and the people are largerly gone...compared to US Natives

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[QUOTE=Mister G;782363] I agree http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/smile.gif refer to my earlier post please

Not all the places in Spanish America were discovered/conquered/colonized at the same time. By the time the Spaniards got to reach Mexico and Peru (in the 1520's), the friars of the Dominican order have had the time to push hard for legislation protecting the rights of Amerindians, so that's why you can find that the fate of them in the mainland was different than the one over here on the islands. On the US, by contrast, there was one set of politics that were carried over all the time, which can be resumed by the phrase mentioned above.

[QUOTE=Mister G;782400] You are forgetting Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas, and Wyoming. Natives are the largest non White minority in those areas.

[QUOTE=Pulaar;782406]I hear you and I agree but 8% tho compared to what it used to be. The language, culture and the people are largerly gone...compared to US Natives

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I agree with you Pulaar in the Caribbean both english speaking and spanish speaking the native culture is practically dead, and never to arise again especially with the present inhabitants, however i did hear on the island i think Dominica, some people still consider themselves Taino, and may even speak the language, however i am not sure! Maybe you can enlighten me about it.

[QUOTE=Mister G;782400] Interesting, they are clearly mulattoes I read they native Indian were runaway destinations and preferred masters I think native Indians would have less drama with IR cross marriage.

It's the kind of thing you saw in South Africa strict racial groups and a white elite that married only among themselves race becomes central to them. Anti IR laws were some of the first passed by the Boers.

The dead serious way some white folk claim Indian parentage mirrors how Boers demand to be called Africans

[QUOTE=Mister G;782437] They are the Caribs. Their survival depended on the fact that they inhabited the set of islands called by the Spaniards "useless", that is, not worth the time and effort of their colonizing them. This would be the islands that their English, French and Dutch rivals would use as a beach head to attempt to take away portions of the Spanish Americas, a task on which they would meet limited success.

Ând do the carib nature of being warrior-like also contributed to their survival?

I largely agree with you...Although I think the American Position on the Indian did change over time. Like I mentioned before, America was trying to find a new Identity seperate from Europe so the preservation of the Indian was beneficial to that new identity. Football teams, Baseball teams, Military equipment and weapons all have Native Tribal names in them to signify it's "Americaness". Im not sure if I can say the same for the Caribbean (which is what im referring too)

There's a reason why black people in Latin America and the Caribbean identify with nationality then race versus black people in the U.S. saying their race first.

Yes, of course. Their navigational skills made them elude the most deadliest of maritime blockades that the Brits could pull. It also helped the fact that they were allied with the French, outside Martinique and Guadeloupe of course.

[QUOTE=jonboyclem;782431] Indeed, there is a significant population in those particular states, but ask yourself how large a population is those particular state, in comparison to the rest of the country of 300 million odd souls, and most likely won't encounter those groups in their lifetime, unless they travel to those states, and most Americans don't travel much, unless it is regional.http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wink.gif Again as you say, "lets keep it real", the population of natives in the United states is no where near Mexico, Boliva, Peru, Guatemala, and a few other countries in the Americas, which is a fact no one can dispute here!

One can find these and more over here in Hispaniola. I will give you only a sample by geographical names (the ones in parenthesis correspond to the Kreyol Aysyen version of the ones in Haitian land):

1-Cibao
2-Bayajá
3-Yaguana (Leogane)
4-Maguana
5-Ocoa
6-Higuey
7-Jaragua
8-Nagua
9-Macoris
10-Bonao
11-Mao
12-Jacagua
13-Guanabo (Gonave, Gonaives)
14-Tiburon
15-Dajabon
16-Azua
17-Neyba
15-Maraguana (Miragoane)
16-Guaba (Goave)

[QUOTE=Mister G;782459] But pred or fully Amerindians are making a comeback in the US from Latin America. In the next couple of generations, there will be a significant Native American population in the US againhttp://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wink.gif

[QUOTE=mr simon;782444] It is possible, and it could had happen in the famous draft riots in New York during the American the civil war, which forced many Aframs to search for higher and safe grounds in places like Long island, during that time.

I am definitely lacking in New York history.

I heard about the highlighted part when i was in South Africa, and i think it's hilarious.