[weaddercaps]

The Fulani from Northern Cameroon tested in the Tishkoff study were something like 40% 'Cushitic' (this cluster tends to cause a pull towards Eurasia in MDS plots). So arguably they are less 'negroid' (whatever that means) than coastal West Africans like the Yoruba.

You must be confused . Please post your sources. It was not the Fulanis in Northern Cameroon that had 40% Cushitic , it was another group. Here is the study. Tell me the page which it mentions 40% cushitic

Pge 95 says something completely different to what you just posted. Fulanis have a higher pull towards Niger Kordofian than towards Cushitic.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/data/1172257/DC1/1

[hellencomstar]

I based that on this map.. The Cameroon Fulani pie chart looks significantly Cushitic influenced. I should've been more cautious, lol.

[YpciJQdo]

I based that on this map.. The Cameroon Fulani pie chart looks significantly Cushitic influenced. I should've been more cautious, lol.

The map is confusing , thats why its better to read the study. The Cushitic pull is not the Fulanis, its another group - The Baggara

[giftplas]

That purple isn't "Cushitic", Bandar. But yes, if the trees by Tishkoff are to be believed, the "Fulani" cluster is relatively close to the "Cushitic" cluster.

[BronUVT]

That purple isn't "Cushitic", Bandar. But yes, if the trees by Tishkoff are to be believed, the "Fulani" cluster is relatively close to the "Cushitic" cluster.

Not anymore close than it is to Niger Kordofian. Have you read the study?

[jacknates]

Oh yeah i rmember this : it is Fuchsia

[xgnuwdd]

Not anymore close than it is to Niger Kordofian. Have you read the study?

Just bits and pieces. Enlighten me?

[newpiknicker]

Jabaos in Dominican Republic. Sometimes paler skin than the more Caucasian looking Dominicans but with coarse hair (usually light in color as well) and "negroid" features. They aren't really their own group though, obviously, but just an outcome of race mixing.

[orerviche]

Are their any light skinned groups of people with negroid type features?(non albino)

or the other way around?

pictures?

Well if I wanted to find some Jabaos, first place I'd look would be P.R., then Cuba, then D.R. I'm not sure of such people really occur elsewhere except of course with lighter Aframs, but many lighter ones aren't that "Negroid-featured".

Some Antillano Jabaos:
P.R. - http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/P...at-Joe-w05.jpg
Cuban - http://www.cubanball.com/Images/Negr...Dandaridge.jpg
D.R. - http://www.holamun2.com/files/images...vs-danny-d.jpg

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Jabaos in Dominican Republic. Sometimes paler skin than the more Caucasian looking Dominicans but with coarse hair (usually light in color as well) and "negroid" features. They aren't really their own group though, obviously, but just an outcome of race mixing.

DAMNIT, just beat me to it

[DianaDrk]

I based that on this map.. The Cameroon Fulani pie chart looks significantly Cushitic influenced. I should've been more cautious, lol.

That purple isn't "Cushitic", Bandar. But yes, if the trees by Tishkoff are to be believed, the "Fulani" cluster is relatively close to the "Cushitic" cluster.

This was also confusing to me, at first. Basically, if you look more closely there are two purple-like colors. One corresponds to the "Fulani" cluster, which is more of a pinkish in the structure runs, and the other is real Cushtic. I have no idea why the colors look so similar in the intra-African pie chart.

[Shinegayboyx]

In case you missed it, the reason people are using these outmoded classifications is because NO ONE IS USING THEM OR COMING UP WITH NEW ONES ANYMORE, IT IS A DEFUNCT SCIENCE. That is why no one can agree on a classification and most people are a mix of multiple, lol

It is basically nearly meaningless, no anthro class at any leading university will teach this you this stuff other than to say "oh people used to do that when they are racist and stupid..."

Yes. That guy suggests that African scientists should be creating classifications.



Why should African scientists spend time worrying to create such classifications when Africa possesses so much diversity, within families, within ethnic groups, within regions, etc.. To create further division?

[heilyprollecyspor]

Yes. That guy suggests that African scientists should be creating classifications.



Why should African scientists spend time worrying to create such classifications when Africa possesses so much diversity, within families, within ethnic groups, within regions, etc.. To create further division?

Though maybe classification schemes are outdated, I'm still highly fascinated in physical anthropology, and physical differences. I would still like to see more work along the lines of Cavalli Sforza's, who seemed to be genuinely fascinated by population structure while recognizing that strict classification is "futile."

That an interest in differences can create social division is a sad consequence, I think. I would have no intention on trying to separate peoples with science - my interest is purely physical and genetic, but I understand how this type of data could be used for more than that (ahem - racism).

In a humanist, egalitarian society, I think our focus on promoting equality will outweigh scientific quest for "truth," even for curiosity's sake. I can't say I can blame a person for having a problem with it, not when human well-being is the top priority.

Perhaps one alternative to avoid overt scientific racism is to look at individual physical traits separately, so that it isn't tied to racial hierarchy, but simultaneously acknowledges the physical differences among humans which are undeniable?

[estheticianI]

Hmmm, they have already been tested by Tishkoff and they scored less than 5 % Eurasian. Their phenotype is the result of the dry climate they live in, in comparison to other West Africans. Their are some Central AFricans who scored higher in terms of Eurasian admixture yet they look 'Negro'. (whatever that is)

It was actually less than 3% in all three samples used, so basically 0% Eurasian. The Saharan/Dogon cluster was the possibly Eurasian cluster, but it also indicated indigenous North African admixture.

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The Fulani were only about ~6-8% Cushitic, in regard to all three Fulani groups. Niger-Kordofanian ancestry ranged between ~17-40% among the Fulani.

[Crazykz]

Though maybe classification schemes are outdated, I'm still highly fascinated in physical anthropology, and physical differences. I would still like to see more work along the lines of Cavalli Sforza's, who seemed to be genuinely fascinated by population structure while recognizing that strict classification is "futile."

That an interest in differences can create social division is a sad consequence, I think. I would have no intention on trying to separate peoples with science - my interest is purely physical and genetic, but I understand how this type of data could be used for more than that (ahem - racism).

Likewise

In a humanist, egalitarian society, I think our focus on promoting equality will outweigh scientific quest for "truth," even for curiosity's sake. I can't say I can blame a person for having a problem with it, not when human well-being is the top priority.

Perhaps one alternative to avoid overt scientific racism is to look at individual physical traits separately, so that it isn't tied to racial hierarchy, but simultaneously acknowledges the physical differences among humans which are undeniable?

Now you know I ain't talking about you Grasshoppa

[TyncTyncSah]

Light skinned Africans. duh.

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I fully agree with you that phenotypic diversity is not the result of admixture. But the "Fulani" cluster in the Tishkoff study is relatively close to the "Cushitic" cluster, and people with ancestry from the Cushitic cluster are closer to Eurasia on the plots than Niger-Kordofanian people are. Even though Tishkoff believes that these clusters are all indigenous to Africa, and part of African genetic diversity.

This is why Bandar said that they would have a "pull" towards Eurasia compared to other West Africans, he didn't mean to say that they are West Africans with Eurasian admixture.

True, bot the Fulani and Cushitic ancestral groups cluster together for the most part in regard to linkage with the other ancestral clusters... and while they're closer to the non-African clusters, it's not by much... it's not intermediate.

On the other hand, the Fulani people are MUCH more closer to the other Niger-Kordofanian speaking populations. They overlap and cluster together.

[EmxATW5m]

Igbo tribe of Nigeria. I've seen some "high yella" Igbos here in So Cal.

[CymnMaync]

Igbo tribe of Nigeria. I've seen some "high yella" Igbos here in So Cal.

Yep we have a diverse range of complexions and it's not just an Igbo thing too. That's why the OP is hilarious and should travel more actually.

[Nifoziyfar]

Are their any light skinned groups of people with negroid type features?(non albino)

or the other way around?

pictures?

Weirdest and funniest topic ever. Duh.......lightskinned Africans. Heck i've even seen some europeans and mexican with negroid features but they are white.

[famosetroie]

Yes. That guy suggests that African scientists should be creating classifications.

If you're going to do nothing but bitch about how white people can't understand the complexity of Africa, then you people should do something about it yourselves.

Why should African scientists spend time worrying to create such classifications when Africa possesses so much diversity, within families, within ethnic groups, within regions, etc.. To create further division?

Typical Afrocentric nonsense. Asia is far more diverse than SSA, and you don't see them crying about it.

If you think classification is a joke, then why would you even bother to get involved in websites that deal heavily in it?

I understand why blacks have a preference for having their DNA analyzed, since it's damn near impossible for most of them to complete a full family tree, but that doesn't mean you have to participate in anything you believe to be fallacious. If you believe Coon et. al. were just simplistic white morons who had no idea whatsoever how to describe your glorious superior African race, then perhaps you should attempt to rectify that.

Until then, enjoy the simplistic white system of classification.