[inownsuipsy]

I think it's all about coolness....when most of the people in your country looks native...you are going to want to be what's considered distant and somehow cooler. In the U.S. since there is an abundance of whites and blacks both groups romanticize about natives.

class, racism, slavery also plays into the equation.

[weO1bVp1]

Its interesting, its like "Clash of the titans", I approach this lets say colommbian or venezuelan person as nearly kind of celebrity- in this respect that I had never met them before in real life, but read about them or watched a movie, for me its like "wow I wanna touch it" thing while the person thinks how to get rid of this ethnicity which I am exactly looking for. Paradox.

[SeftyJokipl]

Another thing about bragging about the euro end for people of ex-colonies is that they actually are able to identify some of the euros. They are not obscure unknown indians and african slaves who were stripped of identity and dignity.

I've met a few whites or near whites brag about their african lineage it just makes them feel special.

[j2Y6Ysmb]

I was arguing with a white american couple the other day they said they were part native american and I said that's the same as being part Mexican and they were somehow insulted and confused.

They believe that being part Native American is not the same as Mexican. Native Americans to them are some great light skinned Asiatic mystical people that are greater and higher up than a Mexican.

It's really odd because they are really not different from Mexicans at all except most are dead so you don't see them every day.

I have noticed this before, it goes to show what hypocrits USAmericans can be. they want to cling to the imaginary Native American ancestor -Cherokee princess often -because it is seen as cool while they get to preserve their white privilege but when someone points out that that would place them quite close to Mexicans racially then they are suddenly offended as if both things are polar opposites.

[ziIReIGS]

I thought that Brazilians are those who feel really comfortable with their mixed heritages.

Some do, some don't.


Native ancestry is more well accepted than any SSA ancestry.


Those who are black deal very well with this and are very proud of being black, the problems goes with those who are pred. white but also show some SSA or Native traits.. many of them like to be related only with their white ancestry.


Go tell some light skinned Brazilian about a possible SSA admixture, specially those who are Upper or Middle Class and you will see their reaction..

[xquFzpNw]

Some do, some don't.


Native ancestry is more well accepted than any SSA ancestry.


Those who are black deal very well with this and are very proud of being black, the problems goes with those who are pred. white but also show some SSA or Native traits.. many of them like to be related only with their white ancestry.


Go tell some light skinned Brazilian about a possible SSA admixture, specially those who are Upper or Middle Class and you will see their reaction..

Do you think you have any SSA? (Even 1 or 2% like the Portugese etc?)

[SHUSIATULSE]

I was arguing with a white american couple the other day they said they were part native american and I said that's the same as being part Mexican and they were somehow insulted and confused.

They believe that being part Native American is not the same as Mexican. Native Americans to them are some great light skinned Asiatic mystical people that are greater and higher up than a Mexican.

It's really odd because they are really not different from Mexicans at all except most are dead so you don't see them every day.

Yeah, in Canada we have a lot of actual Natives, and they are stereotyped as drunkards and bums rather than light skinned Asiatic mystical people as they are in America. There was actually a parody radio show done called Brocket 99 that plays on these stereotypes.

[Clilmence]

Do you think you have any SSA? (Even 1 or 2% like the Portugese etc?)

I could have, and it wouldn't be a problem at all.

The only thing I know about my genes (based on a DecodeMe and FTDNA test made by my older brother) is that we certainly have

[Discus]

I think this romanticism started in late eighties, I remember success and all what was happening around "Dances with Wolves" (however at those times Costner already tried to avoid creating idealised image of AI, if you remember the plot) etc,
later I remember American Indians portraited very cool in Northern Exposure (btw my one of the bestest series in my life).

[djmassk]

I was arguing with a white american couple the other day they said they were part native american and I said that's the same as being part Mexican and they were somehow insulted and confused.

They believe that being part Native American is not the same as Mexican. Native Americans to them are some great light skinned Asiatic mystical people that are greater and higher up than a Mexican.

It's really odd because they are really not different from Mexicans at all except most are dead so you don't see them every day.

Mesoamerican cutures were far more sophisticated advanced and civilized than those who inhabitated the US territory...

[LfYaRf1S]

Many latinos are confused racially.

[gopsbousperie]

yeah its lame, why shouldnt you ask about heritage, I mean I know people can get offended, but why should they (in ideal world), its heritage, most people who ask (like I did in all cases or you with the girl) is driven by curiosity or interest, not to prove or laugh off anything, sad.

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If its the cast system it may be the case too, as question about blood might be read as suggestion of low social status, but why they think that I have any idea of social classes in Latin America, its a habit probably.

In general terms talking about ancestry is a taboo in many Latin american countries.

Unless you're dealing with educated people aware of their ancestry, most latamas dont even know exactly about their heritage and many dont care.

Mexico is a very complex nation talking about racial heritage-among many other things actually- Theres is a doble moral a double thinking about heritage that I'll try to explain you.

It is very well seen and socially accepted that one as a mexican boasts about being an amerindian of being admixed and fancies at least as a mestizo... that's the most politically corrent posture in general terms, remember our friend Rutdg87 ... "we chicanos are aztec race, we have brown pride... we are proud of the race" and shit like that...... In Mexico it happens more or less the same but there's still a rejection of the middle and high classes to the most amerindian looking people who are frequently refered as¨Pinches indios",-fucking indians. So here we can have the light skinned light eyed mexican who fancies himself as an aztec descendant but when ocassion shows up throws deroganting names to the most amerindian looking ones as: "Pinches nacos", "Pinches indios" "pinches apaches", "pinches prietos" Fuking indios, fucking lowlifes, fuking panchitos, "fuking darkies"etc.....

Mexican society is really hard to understand no even me being mexican understand our society way of thinking perfectly well.

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Mexican education has been aimed to teach every mexican from the elementary school that us, mexicans were invaded for the spaniards and brutally conquered and our precious native culture was destroyed for the iberans, believe it or not that's the way they teach the history subject to kids in school.

I have a 6 y.o. kid and the other day he told me with a serious and sort of surprised/sad expression on his face: Dad, at school they say we were invaded and conquered by the spaniards!!!....

I explained it to him in better terms:

"Listent to this son: We werent conquered because we didnt exist at that time, mexico wasnt the nation that it is today at that time. Half of the current mexican territory was ruled by a native nation known as the Mexica or aztecs, then people from the spanish empire came in their ships and met the Aztec empire. there was a war between those two empires and the spaniards and their native allies defeated the Aztecs and thats it but that has nothing to do with you or me cause we are not aztecs.

I didnt want to go beyond in explanations for he¡s a 6 y.o boy however it seemed that story was better for his feelings tho.

They -the government- dont realize that if they continue teaching history in such a way they are only getting people more confused, they create an inferority complex in mexicans and a hate to europe-spaniards- thats why you can find a lot of mexicans who hate spaniards without mattering many of those spaniardhaters hare in fact spaniards descendants themselves......

[Zaxsdcxs]

Don't lie to your son, let him know the truth. He's not a Spaniard. I think you are doing more harm to him by letting him think that this thing never occurred.

I think a hate towards European Spaniards is a healthy and natural thing because everywhere else in the world and media Europeans are painted in this image of perfection, but you have to remember that in reality they are morally worse than most races.

[dicemets]

Don't lie to your son, let him know the truth. He's not a Spaniard. I think you are doing more harm to him by letting him think that this thing never occurred.

I think a hate towards European Spaniards is a healthy and natural thing because everywhere else in the world and media Europeans are painted in this image of perfection, but you have to remember that in reality they are morally worse than most races.

In what point did I say that I told my son we are spaniards.....

I hope it is just lack of reading comprehension skills from you and not that youre a new trollie......

[shiciapsisy]

I would like to stress that the main point is not itself the fact of denying ancestry, but this specific case where people deny their ancestry despite they look typical for this ancestry. There are different levels and motives of denials, but as long as they are at least possible to believe in, its sort of understable.
Its different when an asian looking guy claims he is spanish or latino-indian-exotic girls claims she has spanish blood only.

[Siliespiriulk]

I would like to stress that the main point is not itself the fact of denying ancestry, but this specific case where people deny their ancestry despite they look typical for this ancestry. There are different levels and motives of denials, but as long as they are at least possible to believe in, its sort of understable.
Its different when an asian looking guy claims he is spanish or latino-indian-exotic girls claims she has spanish blood only.

Actually you're right, couldnt agree more with that, however it happens backwards as you read between lines in Dave's last post.

He, as many other Lat ams seem to have a really big issue with some other latams "saying we are spaniard"..... of course I'm not an spaniard niether want to be one I'm mexican however european iberian/french heritage is very evident in my family.



So as it is good to aknowlege one is mestizo when it is obvious one is mestizo but it is wrong for us to aknowlege euro ancestry when it is in fact there noticeable to the eyes of everybody.

Look how "amerindians" we are:


http://oi52.tinypic.com/330wpxz.jpg

http://oi53.tinypic.com/j7pxle.jpg

[VYholden]

^ I can't beleive you need to post pictures of you and your family to prove how non indian you are .lol

Anyway, regarding this mestizaje in Mexico at least, it is seen not only as a racial thing, but cultural phenomenon. Many of these white looking mexicans who say they are mestizos for what I've seen they're not necessarily talking about race in the most biological sense, but they are talking about the cultural mestizaje that took place in the land and of which all Mexicans participate, regardless of race.

I've seen blue-eyed guys identify with the peoples of this land more and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I don't know why such a thing seems to offend you

[JohnMitchel]

^ I can't beleive you need to post pictures of you and your family to prove how non indian you are .lol

Anyway, regarding this mestizaje in Mexico at least, it is seen not only as a racial thing, but cultural phenomenon. Many of this white looking mexicans who say they are mestizos for what I've seen they're not necessarily talking about race in the most biological sense, but they are talking about the cultural mestizaje that took place in the land and of which all Mexicans participate, regardless of race.

I've seen blue-eyed guys identify with the peoples of this land more and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I don't know why such a thing seems to offend you

Another lat am who has issues with other latams when they say they are not amerindians...lol!!!!.

I cant believe someone cant belive others post pictures in this kind of forums.... lots of people post pictures here for multiple reasons and talk about phenotypes haven't you noticed that.....

[freeprescriptionplanrrx]

Actually you're right, couldnt agree more with that, however it happens backwards as you read between lines in Dave's last post.

He, as many other Lat ams seem to have a really big issue with some other latams "saying we are spaniard"..... of course I'm not an spaniard niether want to be one I'm mexican however european iberian/french heritage is very evident in my family.



So as it is good to aknowlege one is mestizo when it is obvious one is mestizo but it is wrong for us to aknowlege euro ancestry when it is in fact there noticeable to the eyes of everybody.

Look how "amerindians" we are:


http://oi52.tinypic.com/330wpxz.jpg

http://oi53.tinypic.com/j7pxle.jpg

heh ok Armino I wasnt relating to you or Dave, just general reminder

[BCVB9SOc]

Another lat am who has issues with other latams when they say they are not amerindians...lol!!!!.

I cant believe someone cant belive others post pictures in this kind of forums.... lots of people post pictures here for multiple reasons and talk about phenotypes haven't you noticed that.....

Way to completely ignore the point of my post and simplify it by saying I have an issue with you saying you're not amerindian ... lol!!!!!