[vipdumpp]

But there was something different about this tribe, the Tlaxcala, and when the music ceased and the chatter resumed, the difference became clear: They spoke exclusively Spanish.
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“Hispanic is not a race, ” said Mr. Quiroz, whose ancestors were the Quechua people, of the Central Andes. “Hispanic is not a culture. Hispanic is an invention by some people who wanted to erase the identity of indigenous communities in America.”

“We don’t believe we have to accept this identity just because we speak Spanish,” Mr. Quiroz added. Full article:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/04/ny...n.html?_r=1&hp

[JohnVK]

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[MaugleeRobins]

Good for them, I guess.

The New York Times must be bored.

[Fluivelip]

Good for them, I guess.

The New York Times must be bored.

Our economic and other troubles must be over if they have time to write about this, I'm going to buy a speedboat, what are you going to buy?

[sbgctsa]

ive meet carlos quiroz a while back, he's one of my moms friends, hes a peruvian guy interested in amerindian culture. i don't know much about him but he has his own youtube channel, he talks about politics, race relations and helping out communities. and is a activist i think...

[mybooboo]

Alright then, so I shall call myself Mexican?

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Indians, especially those who dont have black skin, and are not fully Indid tend to be mistaken as a South American ethnicity in the States all the time.

Funny thing is, theres this two affiliated hot or not sites, called RateDesi(South Asian) and RateHispanic(South American). And both South Asians and Hispanics agree that we resemble each other without any hard feelings.

[lerobudrse]

Hmm, interesting.

[PNCarl]

Alright then, so I shall call myself Mexican?

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Indians, especially those who dont have black skin, and are not fully Indid tend to be mistaken as a South American ethnicity in the States all the time.

Funny thing is, theres this two affiliated hot or not sites, called RateDesi(South Asian) and RateHispanic(South American). And both South Asians and Hispanics agree that we resemble each other without any hard feelings.

They classify as Indians as in "Native American"

[Numbiydq]

But there was something different about this tribe, the Tlaxcala, and when the music ceased and the chatter resumed, the difference became clear: They spoke exclusively Spanish.
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“Hispanic is not a race, ” said Mr. Quiroz, whose ancestors were the Quechua people, of the Central Andes. “Hispanic is not a culture. Hispanic is an invention by some people who wanted to erase the identity of indigenous communities in America.”

“We don’t believe we have to accept this identity just because we speak Spanish,” Mr. Quiroz added.

Well, I think these ideas are absolutely reasonable and fair.
In fact you don't have to go to america to find people who speaks spanish (or english, french, russian...) as mother language but reject the spanish identity/culture as imposed by foreigners.

It happens all over the world... colonialism, wars that changed frontiers, massive forced exodus and massive inmigration...

To reject an imposed identity and/or culture is the easy part of the matter.

To impose or establish the true or original identity/culture over people who don't live their original identity anymore, is the hard part. And if there's more than a original identity, things get worse quickly.

I think evo morales in bolivia has had some problems trying to bring the 'original bolivian identity' to laws and institutions of the bolivian sate.

[juspimoubbodo]

.To impose or establish the true or original identity/culture over people who don't live their original identity anymore, is the hard part

Agreed.

[jelena-nanana]

It's true because I am calling myself Indian now and rejecting my Hispanic title, especially considering the fact that I don't speak Spanish often.
I'm glad many people are sharing my view about this type of thing.

For people in Latin america who don't know what real European people are like they can keep confusing mestizos with Europeans, but we are totally not the same, just trust me. Photographs and reality are different.

When my children are born they probably will not speak any Spanish at all so they will not be Hispanic, they will not be from Latin Europe or America, so what is left for them? They will be native american, so I think the title Indian suits them just as well.

When I see things like European people dressed like Native Americans which has been occurring often thanks to Ke$ha I become a bit annoyed :P

[LSDDSL]

It's true because I am calling myself Indian now and rejecting my Hispanic title, especially considering the fact that I don't speak Spanish often.
I'm glad many people are sharing my view about this type of thing.

For people in Latin america who don't know what real European people are like they can keep confusing mestizos with Europeans, but we are totally not the same, just trust me. Photographs and reality are different.

When my children are born they probably will not speak any Spanish at all so they will not be Hispanic, they will not be from Latin Europe or America, so what is left for them? They will be native american, so I think the title Indian suits them just as well.

When I see things like European people dressed like Native Americans which has been occurring often thanks to Ke$ha I become a bit annoyed :P

But do you know from what tribe do you descend off?Do you know the culture, lifeways and traditions of said tribe.If you are going to takr the NA identity at least if you don't know the cultre and ways of yor NA ancestors you should start to learn it.

[Srewxardsasv]

I am actually starting to learn it, I'm taking an anthropology course in native american culture this semester at my University.

I'm a bit of an extremist when it comes to this though, I envision cities like Mexico City should be rebuilt using native american style structures inspired by Mayan, Inca and other NA designs, but with modern architectural planning. I also would like to see NA people dressed in only native american inspired clothing such as the Ke$ha inspired clothing people wear, so modern yet native american.

Europeans have taught us to be ashamed of this ancestry, it's pretty pathetic.

[Hofonom]

I am actually starting to learn it, I'm taking an anthropology course in native american culture this semester at my University.

I'm a bit of an extremist when it comes to this though, I envision cities like Mexico City should be rebuilt using native american style structures inspired by Mayan, Inca and other NA designs, but with modern architectural planning. I also would like to see NA people dressed in only native american inspired clothing such as the Ke$ha inspired clothing people wear, so modern yet native american.

Europeans have taught us to be ashamed of this ancestry, it's pretty pathetic.

But do you your exact Native Ancestry, that is what I am referring to.

[Donlupedron]

I can't calculate my exact ancestry except in the case of my dad who is from El Salvador which is so small there was only one tribe the Pipil, but as for my mom I'm not sure exactly which tribe she is from, but it was probably one in central mexico near Jalisco.

[agracias]

I can't calculate my exact ancestry except in the case of my dad who is from El Salvador which is so small there was only one tribe the Pipil, but as for my mom I'm not sure exactly which tribe she is from, but it was probably one in central mexico near Jalisco.

Then you should do reserach of those tribes form your parents' regions, it shouldn't be difficult.You know, it doesn't seem good to a Maya descendant to wear aztec dress and practice aztec culture imo.

[oraltyrap]

Who says I'm not? It's hard to find my mom's ancestry, I will probably do a full ancestry / genealogy search tracking myself back to Europe and Native America when I have more time :P, but you can't really do Latin american genealogy through the internet since their records are mostly in paper.

[outfinofulpv]

Who says I'm not? It's hard to find my mom's ancestry, I will probably do a full ancestry / genealogy search tracking myself back to Europe and Native America when I have more time :P, but you can't really do Latin american genealogy through the internet since their records are mostly in paper.

You can try ancestry.com or myheritage.com

[RooxiaNof]

I am actually starting to learn it, I'm taking an anthropology course in native american culture this semester at my University.

I'm a bit of an extremist when it comes to this though, I envision cities like Mexico City should be rebuilt using native american style structures inspired by Mayan, Inca and other NA designs, but with modern architectural planning. I also would like to see NA people dressed in only native american inspired clothing such as the Ke$ha inspired clothing people wear, so modern yet native american.

Europeans have taught us to be ashamed of this ancestry, it's pretty pathetic.

I think a better idea would be to invent something new (Bandeirantes?), rather than return to the "Indian" culture.
There were more wars between "Indian" tribes in America than the war between the European settlers and natives. Also no one speaks the ancient Native languages.

[FetMiddle]

Well, people can call themselves whatever they want but they aren't the Native American Indians. Most Hispanics have tons of Spanish blood.