[Theorsell]

Some ignorant jackass have a serious screwed up view on so people they perceive as so called "pro-black," let me break it down:

1) We don't downplay negative behavior from Blacks, we condemn it

2) We value education and moral values

3) The goal is not some nation where everyone identifies as black, the goal is simply self improvement and greater contact, communication, rapport and communication with Afrodescendants worldwide and to embrace what we all share as opposed to harping on the differences that divide.

Now why retards on this forum keep singling out Aframs as negative people while hypocritically hiding behind their own racist, biased negative views of Aframs is beyond retarded especially that cowardly Dominican CAONABO who sees any black who is not like Thomas Sowell as militant, hyper-black Afrocentrics, if you really knew Aframs as much as you claim kid you would know the basics about pro-black people.

[Thigmaswams]

Probably because your actions don't match your words.

[Oxzzlvpg]

Well, I can tell you a few things that may provide insight, although you may not agree with them.

I see you are black and in Mississippi. Well I pass as white and live in West Tennessee, so basically we're neighbors.

I'm sure you are fully aware of black / white race relations here in the South, so I won't waste your time with that, since they are what they are.

My mother was half Asian and looked it, grew up in an era where there was discrimination vs. Asians, as a military brat, when we were at war with Asians. She always taught me to respect other people and not judge people by race. My dad was also not a racist. He played guitar for a living and his role model was Jimi Hendrix.

I lived in the south for a lot of my life and I've seen and heard my share of racism, against blacks and others. I have also lived on the west coast where things are more integrated, but still there is racism in several directions as you probably know. One manifestation I saw there was a lot of whites, blacks, and latinos claiming to be "natives" and hating on Asians as the foreigners who got better grades, better jobs, bigger houses, nicer cars. Since I can pass as white I have heard all kinds of gook this, chink that from people who didn't know my ancestry. My best friend out there was a tri-racial black / white / latino guy and he was like family to me. I spent every day at his house with his family. I still keep in touch with him, 20+ years later.

Anyway back to the subject at hand, I can't deny that I have developed a prejudice against blacks myself living in some urban majority-black areas with high crime, single-parent households etc.

In the end I basically said fuck it and moved the hell away from that element of people. I wouldn't live in a trashy trailer park full of white people, so why should I make apologies for not wanting to live around trashy black people? I don't think I owe any apologies for this.

I moved into a quiet suburban neighborhood where I don't hear gunshots, there are no pitbulls running loose down my street, nobody is racing their rice rockets down my street. My sons won't get jumped at school for looking half-asian.

Actually I moved in between two older black families, two-parent households with adult-age children in college or married with kids and in the workforce. Quiet, no parties, no domestic disputes, no bullshit.

So maybe I'm a racist, or maybe not. I think that in some ways I am. I can honestly say, however, that my parents raised me not to be a racist, and I refused to let the racist notions of stupid people rub off on me. So what made me a racist? First-hand experience with low-class black people.

Here's the thing. I know you're prejudiced against low-class black people as well, because you don't want your family exposed to that shit either, right? So please afford me the same luxury, that's all I ask.

[TodeImmabbedo]

Well, I can tell you a few things that may provide insight, although you may not agree with them.

I see you are black and in Mississippi. Well I pass as white and live in West Tennessee, so basically we're neighbors.

I'm sure you are fully aware of black / white race relations here in the South, so I won't waste your time with that, since they are what they are.

My mother was half Asian and looked it, grew up in an era where there was discrimination vs. Asians, as a military brat, when we were at war with Asians. She always taught me to respect other people and not judge people by race. My dad was also not a racist. He played guitar for a living and his role model was Jimi Hendrix.

I lived in the south for a lot of my life and I've seen and heard my share of racism, against blacks and others. I have also lived on the west coast where things are more integrated, but still there is racism in several directions as you probably know. One manifestation I saw there was a lot of whites, blacks, and latinos claiming to be "natives" and hating on Asians as the foreigners who got better grades, better jobs, bigger houses, nicer cars. Since I can pass as white I have heard all kinds of gook this, chink that from people who didn't know my ancestry. My best friend out there was a tri-racial black / white / latino guy and he was like family to me. I spent every day at his house with his family. I still keep in touch with him, 20+ years later.

Anyway back to the subject at hand, I can't deny that I have developed a prejudice against blacks myself living in some urban majority-black areas with high crime, single-parent households etc.

In the end I basically said fuck it and moved the hell away from that element of people. I wouldn't live in a trashy trailer park full of white people, so why should I make apologies for not wanting to live around trashy black people? I don't think I owe any apologies for this.

I moved into a quiet suburban neighborhood where I don't hear gunshots, there are no pitbulls running loose down my street, nobody is racing their rice rockets down my street. My sons won't get jumped at school for looking half-asian.

Actually I moved in between two older black families, two-parent households with adult-age children in college or married with kids and in the workforce. Quiet, no parties, no domestic disputes, no bullshit.

So maybe I'm a racist, or maybe not. I think that in some ways I am. I can honestly say, however, that my parents raised me not to be a racist, and I refused to let the racist notions of stupid people rub off on me. So what made me a racist? First-hand experience with low-class black people.

Here's the thing. I know you're prejudiced against low-class black people as well, because you don't want your family exposed to that shit either, right? So please afford me the same luxury, that's all I ask.

My response? I don't give a God damn about your few experiences with a few out of control Negroes, its not an excuse to have any prejudice against anyone. I have family that are economically lower class and live in inner cities and they're certainly not anything like what you described. The funny thing is this, you cowards look for every excuse to look down on blacks but don't do the same for whites because if your little racist minds its already been programmed for you to believe by default that whites are the standard that all other races should strive to be.

[usaneisfiecup]

My response? I don't give a God damn about your few experiences with a few out of control Negroes, its not an excuse to have any prejudice against anyone. I have family that are economically lower class and live in inner cities and they're certainly not anything like what you described. The funny thing is this, you cowards look for every excuse to look down on blacks but don't do the same for whites because if your little racist minds its already been programmed for you to believe by default that whites are the standard that all other races should strive to be.

I didn't really expect you to care about my opinions, so shame on me for sharing them with you. I guess that's the price I sometimes pay for expecting people to be open-minded and think beyond the horizons of things like their own racial identity.

You're denying your own negative feelings towards an inner city environment, by empathizing with your family who live there. Your comments are clear that they live there, not you. Why not? Don't you strive to provide the safest environment and best education for your family? I bet you do.

You think I'm a coward, but haven't identified what it is I fear. What makes me a coward, what do I fear? Stray bullets, vicious dogs, or my sons being run over in the street by some dumbass on a sports bike? Yeah, maybe so. Or is it black skin you think I fear? Wrong.

You think I look down on blacks but not whites. Wrong. I also look down on whites. I look down on whites who cook meth, litter, poach deer, beat their wives, talk on their cell phones while driving, molest their children, and any number of other things ranging from minor to major. I also look down on European nationalists, or anyone else stupid enough to think their personal identity is primarily defined by their racial or national identity. Do you really think I embrace these people, give them a pass? Please check your own naivete, and think very hard about your own personal identity vs. the cultural and racial one you are cloaking yourself with.

[Aswdwdfg]

I didn't really expect you to care about my opinions, so shame on me for sharing them with you. I guess that's the price I sometimes pay for expecting people to be open-minded and think beyond the horizons of things like their own racial identity.

You're denying your own negative feelings towards an inner city environment, by empathizing with your family who live there. Your comments are clear that they live there, not you. Why not? Don't you strive to provide the safest environment and best education for your family? I bet you do.

You think I'm a coward, but haven't identified what it is I fear. What makes me a coward, what do I fear? Stray bullets, vicious dogs, or my sons being run over in the street by some dumbass on a sports bike? Yeah, maybe so. Or is it black skin you think I fear? Wrong.

You think I look down on blacks but not whites. Wrong. I also look down on whites. I look down on whites who cook meth, litter, poach deer, beat their wives, talk on their cell phones while driving, molest their children, and any number of other things ranging from minor to major. I also look down on European nationalists, or anyone else stupid enough to think their personal identity is primarily defined by their racial or national identity. Do you really think I embrace these people, give them a pass? Please check your own naivete, and think very hard about your own personal identity vs. the cultural and racial one you are cloaking yourself with.

You came into this thread looking for an excuse for your racism and didn't get what you wanted, big damn deal. There's nothing wrong with despising immoral behavior but despising people because of their social and economic class and race? Totally retarded and unacceptable, people who live in the ghettos despise the immoral behavior of others who live in the ghetto with them, in fact *MOST* of them do, but unlike you they don't use it as a tool to hate and entire class or race of people.

[Markdogas]

Probably because your actions don't match your words.

This is exactly it. What you say and what you do are two different things. It is like Communism. Supposedly on paper it is perfect, but when carried out, the results are vastly different. Are you going to say that the group attack on me was fair?

[geraint.faughn]

This is exactly it. What you say and what you do are two different things. It is like Communism. Supposedly on paper it is perfect, but when carried out, the results are vastly different. Are you going to say that the group attack on me was fair?

Given your response and the way you came off, yes. Had you said later on a little earlier when you clarified your statements then yes, I would agree you being attacked was unwarranted.

[oplapofffe]

Can i get a link to the background story?

[ashleyjoseph]

You came into this thread looking for an excuse for your racism and didn't get what you wanted, big damn deal. There's nothing wrong with despising immoral behavior but despising people because of their social and economic class and race? Totally retarded and unacceptable, people who live in the ghettos despise the immoral behavior of others who live in the ghetto with them, in fact *MOST* of them do, but unlike you they don't use it as a tool to hate and entire class or race of people.

No shit, there are honest hardworking people who live in the ghetto, and they hate their sorry-ass neighbors. They are just trying to live their lives and raise their kids and not be robbed, beaten, or shot by some low-life who lives down the block. All they want in life is for their kids to get a better education and be able to move the hell away from that nonsense. There are trailer parks and barrios like that too, you know.

There are multiple sources for racism in society, for example:

1. Learned from your parents and extended family

2. Learned from your peers (school, work, etc.)

3. Learned institutionally (government, education system, etc.)

4. Learned first-hand through direct encounters


The point of my post is that I have unquestionably developed some racist views. I didn't pick it up from #1 (non-racist parents) or #2 (dumbass rednecks I ignore), you would assert #3 (programmed by white society), but I assert it was primarily #4.

The Dominicans you're beefing with in the other thread, and the reason you started this thread, are also claiming #4. The reason I posted here was not to proudly proclaim my racism or make excuses for it, but to try to help you understand it and relate better to those guys. The reason I took on this task is because I thought I might be able to relate it to you better than they did, since culturally (whether you like it or not) I am closer to you than they are.

Now you can go on thinking I'm a racist, and I can go on about my business, but please do keep in mind what I was trying to do was help you understand root causes of racism from a different perspective.

[id2008]

No shit, there are honest hardworking people who live in the ghetto, and they hate their sorry-ass neighbors. They are just trying to live their lives and raise their kids and not be robbed, beaten, or shot by some low-life who lives down the block. All they want in life is for their kids to get a better education and be able to move the hell away from that nonsense. There are trailer parks and barrios like that too, you know.

There are multiple sources for racism in society, for example:

1. Learned from your parents and extended family

2. Learned from your peers (school, work, etc.)

3. Learned institutionally (government, education system, etc.)

4. Learned first-hand through direct encounters


The point of my post is that I have unquestionably developed some racist views. I didn't pick it up from #1 (non-racist parents) or #2 (dumbass rednecks I ignore), you would assert #3 (programmed by white society), but I assert it was primarily #4.

The Dominicans you're beefing with in the other thread, and the reason you started this thread, are also claiming #4. The reason I posted here was not to proudly proclaim my racism or make excuses for it, but to try to help you understand it and relate better to those guys. The reason I took on this task is because I thought I might be able to relate it to you better than they did, since culturally (whether you like it or not) I am closer to you than they are.

Now you can go on thinking I'm a racist, and I can go on about my business, but please do keep in mind what I was trying to do was help you understand root causes of racism from a different perspective.

Thats precisely where you're wrong, the people are *NOT* hated but the immoral behavior of certain are, when you twist it and try to use it as a card to hate a group of people based on class, where they live or their race, thats where you're wrong.

[bertanu]

There are different types of people that may fly the pro-black flag, though I understand the motivation for this thread.

http://images.wikia.com/boondocks/im...ey_jenkins.jpg



^"This show's hilarious, dhat Huey nigga's so hardcore. Respek."



[affirmatively:] "I'm pro-black"

As older characters in the show, I would take granddad and Tom as being the definitve veteran types of problacks, the boys just somethin new and more cartoony that has taken more center stage. Yes, I see the characters as playing on and satiring things in real life.



"I'm just really pro-gangsta."

even this guy's pro-black



... customers!

In medieval / pre-modern times, non-serf Europeans were just pro pimp:





"I'm just pro-pimpin."

[jeaccatty]

Thats precisely where you're wrong, the people are *NOT* hated but the immoral behavior of certain are, when you twist it and try to use it as a card to hate a group of people based on class, where they live or their race, thats where you're wrong.

Well that's probably part of your Christian belief system, "hate the sin but love the sinner" and all that. I've been exposed to these philosophies but in general I reject them.

I feel like my ethical obligation to my fellow man, as far as that goes, is to direct my negative emotions towards the individuals who earn it, and not overcast the net of criteria to include those who are innocent, whatever the criteria may be.

Basically, I hate the sin, AND I hate the sinner, and ethically I'm okay with that. If I mistakenly include those who aren't sinners in my hate, then that's where I know I need to fine tune my perception.

[AOE6q4bu]

A lot of people associate 'pro-black' with a cartoon like this (BTW the author is Afram).

[iOqedeyH]

I'm aware these are not representative of all pro-Black people though.
I believe many are nice and peaceful.

[Dwencejed]

Why are other people allowed to be proud without being called on it (East Asians, Whites of most ethnicities, etc) but when Black people do it they are called afrocentrist?

[Gofthooxdix]

Why are other people allowed to be proud without being called on it (East Asians, Whites of most ethnicities, etc) but when Black people do it they are called afrocentrist?

Nothing at all. It's when they assume a "holier than thou" attitude and start playing race police to other afro-descended people (I'm talking about some Aframs vis-a-vis Afrodescendants from Latin America) the thing that irks us to the last degree.

[JohnImamadviser]

Why are other people allowed to be proud without being called on it (East Asians, Whites of most ethnicities, etc) but when Black people do it they are called afrocentrist?

I think something that offends people who don't self-identify with any of these groups is when they try to co-opt you, your culture, or your accomplishments etc. into their group and then sometimes take credit.

I in no way associate with either European or East Asian nationalism or racial pride philosophies. My European heritage is all mixed up and anywhere from 150 to 300+ years distant from any European nation, so neither Europeans nor their proxies in any other country have any business trying to claim me because of my surname, skin color, DNA or anything else. Same deal on my Asian side, my Asian DNA goes back to one country, but is found in at least 4 countries which all hate each other. I claim Eurasian-American as my nationality. My single-biggest genetic contribution is from Japan, but it's quite clear in my mind who I would be rooting for in WW2, and it ain't them.

[Thunderzee]

Why are other people allowed to be proud without being called on it (East Asians, Whites of most ethnicities, etc) but when Black people do it they are called afrocentrist?

When Swedish people are proud in Sweden, it's not unusual at all to be called "neo-Nazi" or "racist". Our national anthem is more or less forbidden in the schools, and pupils who had a Swedish soccer/ice hockey shirt on when taking a photography were asked to either remove it or have it censored.

[Aceroassert]

Nothing at all. It's when they assume a "holier than thou" attitude and start playing race police to other afro-descended people (I'm talking about some Aframs vis-a-vis Afrodescendants from Latin America) the thing that irks us to the last degree.

Well it does annoy me when people try to 'claim others' or put 'them in their place', but at the same time I think it does annoy the Aframs here when people treat SSA admix as a disease.

---------- Post added 2011-07-06 at 21:18 ----------

When Swedish people are proud in Sweden, it's not unusual at all to be called "neo-Nazi" or "racist". Our national anthem is more or less forbidden in the schools, and pupils who had a Swedish soccer/ice hockey shirt on when taking a photography were asked to either remove it or have it censored.

I'm talking about forum politics not IRL. That's a different discussion.

Sometimes it's understandable because some people take it too far, and sometimes it isn't, it's a dodgy issue.