[lrtoinbert]

Every Slav I have ever talked to about this (and there have been a few, Russian, Ukrainians, Poles, Serbians) are all very very anti-Semitic, and almost seem proud of the elaborate ridiculous conspiracy theories they can come up with, as if it is a mark of intelligence to be able to do so (the more complex the better). Many of them (especially Russians) seem to think 'The Jews" are out to destroy "The Slavs, The Orthodox, etc". I find this interesting because before the 18th century, it seems the most tolerate place in Europe for Jews was Poland (although it was not that tolerant)...today Western Europe is pretty good for Jews (maybe not as good as the U.S., outside of the UK) but Eastern European is terrible.

What's the deal?

[Nmoitmzr]

I have noticed the same. Especially Russians have also habit of projecting past Russian crimes against humanity as crimes committed by Jews.

[PharmaDrMan]

I have noticed the same. Especially Russians have also habit of projecting past Russian crimes against humanity as crimes committed by Jews.

Yes I have heard Russians tell me to my face that Lenin was a Jew, and Stalin was so brutal, because he had no choice, he had to "purge the Jewish power in the Bolsheviks" etc.

I also had a Russian tell me that Stalin went to war with Hitler due to Jewish interference in Russia, because they Jewish Bolsheviks were upset over Hitler's antisemitism and wanted to provoke a war (same with the UK, etc)

LOL

I think Russian kids think the monster under their bed is a 4 foot tall big hooked nose Jew with a nasty grin who wants to steal their candy money.

haha

[constanyiskancho]

It's partly historical, and partly because Jews were (and are) heavily overrepresented in communist parties, especially in the early stages. This probably led to the view of Jew=communist murderer, causing a lot of resentment in Eastern Europe.

[mobbemeatiedy]

If you are interested in the Polish case here you have blog titled:

"Polish-Jewish Relations post-'89 A "Phantom Limb" Syndrome"

I don't know if its interesting, but they claim that:

"This blog gives you the insight into Polish-Jewish relations after the collapse of communism in Poland in '89. 3 million Jews murdered during the II World War are physically absent but still exist (in positive or negative context) in Polish collective consciousness- just like a phantom limb..."

http://polishjewish.blogspot.com/

[Evoryboypoto]

It's partly historical, and partly because Jews were (and are) heavily overrepresented in communist parties, especially in the early stages. This probably led to the view of Jew=communist murderer, causing a lot of resentment in Eastern Europe.

Well I think that is a function of European antisemitism.

Communism was obviously attractive to Jews and not just because Marx was a Jew.

Communism taught all the "workers" were equal. If you did not "own capital" you were pretty much the "other" the oppressed masses, and therefore equal. Religion did not matter, race did not matter, ethnicity did not matter.

In theory.

This idea morphed into "the New Soviet Man" (which in reality was bullshit, but you know)...


For a Jew, even if you were nonreligious and tried to be integrated, short of changing your name and being Christian (even then in many cases) you would be discriminated against due to the religion of your ancestors, and the fact you are considered "ethnically distinct by blood".

Communism should have been the ultimate cure for anti-semitsim, racism, nationalism, etc.

Many Jews here, and prominent black Americans got into Communism, for the same promise.


I read a book, about a black American (who was actually born in Cuba) who moved to the Soviet Union because he believed the "hype" of communism, coming from a segregated America, he was desperate to believe that there was something better, and he could also get a good education (Russians offered him a scholarship to study engineering).

The book is called "Black on Red: My 44 Years Inside the Soviet Union", Robert Robinson

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Red-Year.../dp/0874918855


He quickly found out racism was as bad in Russian in some situations as America, but by that time he was trapped their for 44 years (through WWII, etc) he escaped in the 1970's by way of Uganda, and got back to the U.S.

[SaraKonradtt]

Well, as a Russian, I think that blaming Jews is pretty lame, although I do believe in something that would be called a "conspiracy theory" by mainstream.

I've had people come up to me in US, who, after finding out that I was Russian, would start crazy talk about Jews and how they control everything, probably thinking that I am supposed to be anti-Semitic by default. Once some skinheads shook my hand and told me that they were hoping I liked it in US and was planning to stay, lol. I only realized they were skinheads when they were leaving - one had swastikas tatooed on his calves, both were bald and wearing typical skinhead clothes.
I do not know why everyone in America thinks that Russians are anti-Semites, I'd say Russians are less anti-Semitic than American South, for example.

[yasmin]

I do not know why everyone in America thinks that Russians are anti-Semites, I'd say Russians are less anti-Semitic than American South, for example.

Did you just time-warp here from the 19th century? Most American conservative Christians are Israel-Firsters constantly babbling about 'Judeo-Christian civilization'.

[wJswn5l3]

Did you just time-warp here from the 19th century? Most American conservative Christians are Israel-Firsters constantly babbling about 'Judeo-Christian civilization'.

Not in the South, the redneck conservative type think that the south is poor because the Zionist interest in Washington also some of them blame Israel for the war in the middle east, the media controlled by jews and opposite to the conservative values is another issue the the conservatives worry about. The global crisis and the fact that all the CEO in the banks and the guys from the FED (Greenspan, Bernanke, Gaithner) are jews give new excuses to the anti-jewish movement. Check stormfront.org there are a lot of examples there.

[CtEkM8Vq]

Serbs aren't anti semites.. Slavs aren't anti semites.. the thing is that.. they just DON'T like gypsies..

My grandfather didn't like gypsies, grandma also disliked them very much..

[Vodonaeva]

Before the Holocaust, I don't know how many, but millions of Jews lived and peacefully inhabited Poland (a Slavic nation). Europeans as a whole generally have been anti-semitic toward Jews.

After the Holocaust, I imagine many Poles may have blamed Jews for their plight in WWII (not that it was the Jews fault of course…). So perhaps that is why Slavs are anti-semitic today.


Though it would be ridiculous to call Polish Slavs "anti-semitic" before WWII when Poland housed millions of Jews…

Some resident Poles would best explain the whole situation from before the war to now. I don't know how the sentiment is.

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Also, many groups of people, societies, nationalists, love to blame Jews for all of their problems.

Jews/Semites always seem to be the "easiest to blame" due to many cultural misconceptions.


People presume that Jews are smarter than them (as a whole) and maybe they are right/wrong, but presuming somebody is smarter than you, usually makes you fear them, that they have all these "conspiracies" coming about. Just a bunch of half-truths or non-truths.

Anti-Semitism as a history has been going on for longer than I know of.

[PhillipHer]

Also, many groups of people, societies, nationalists, love to blame Jews for all of their problems.

Jews/Semites always seem to be the "easiest to blame" due to many cultural misconceptions.


People presume that Jews are smarter than them (as a whole) and maybe they are right/wrong, but presuming somebody is smarter than you, usually makes you fear them, that they have all these "conspiracies" coming about. Just a bunch of half-truths or non-truths.

Anti-Semitism as a history has been going on for longer than I know of.

Im against the antisemitism but i wont trust in Jews either they don`t share our same ethic values. And the Zionists are as nationalist as the Nazis used to be.

[Flikemommoilt]

Before the Holocaust, I don't know how many, but millions of Jews lived and peacefully inhabited Poland (a Slavic nation). Europeans as a whole generally have been anti-semitic toward Jews.

After the Holocaust, I imagine many Poles may have blamed Jews for their plight in WWII (not that it was the Jews fault of course…). So perhaps that is why Slavs are anti-semitic today.


Though it would be ridiculous to call Polish Slavs "anti-semitic" before WWII when Poland housed millions of Jews…

Some resident Poles would best explain the whole situation from before the war to now. I don't know how the sentiment i

Poles and other Eastern Europeans have traditionally had a strong dislike towards Jews because they tended to be moneylenders and the middle men in business transactions. Actually every European group has a dislike for Jews. However, Jews in Western Europe were few during the modern era compared to Eastern Europe and so their hatred is much more intense and rabid.

There is a deep hatred towards what is referred to as "middle men minorities", whether they are Jewish, Chinese in Malaysia, or Lebanese Christians in Africa because they're not seen as people who work for their pay. This is the common belief towards middle man minorities across the globe. Yet so little would get done if these middle men minorities didn't exist. Who likes to pay back a person, someone who is an "other" in many ways, with interest, and will take you to court if you dont' pay? No one likes to pay up or suffer legal consequences. But there are worse consequences when not having readily available money to borrow or being too ignorant to acquire needed services through your own means.

[grosqueneen]

Not in the South, the redneck conservative type think that the south is poor because the Zionist interest in Washington also some of them blame Israel for the war in the middle east, the media controlled by jews and opposite to the conservative values is another issue the the conservatives worry about. The global crisis and the fact that all the CEO in the banks and the guys from the FED (Greenspan, Bernanke, Gaithner) are jews give new excuses to the anti-jewish movement. Check stormfront.org there are a lot of examples there.

No, they don't. Seriously, I'm not a big fan of the American South, but people keep acting as if nothing has changed since the 1960's. I'm always amazed at how people around the world think of the South in such caricatural terms. As far as I know most of them are mainstream conservatives nowadays, and I doubt you'd ever hear them say anything against Jews or Israel - quite the contrary.

[Muramoursuard]

No, they don't. Seriously, I'm not a big fan of the American South, but people keep acting as if nothing has changed since the 1960's. I'm always amazed at how people around the world think of the South in such caricatural terms. As far as I know most of them are mainstream conservatives nowadays, and I doubt you'd ever hear them say anything against Jews or Israel - quite the contrary.

Ok, i have never been in America, i only know two Texans and some people from internet, also reading stromfront.org or the news about hate crimes it seem that most racist are from the south, maybe they are only a small part of the population.

[Gintovtosik]

Yes I have heard Russians tell me to my face that Lenin was a Jew, and Stalin was so brutal, because he had no choice, he had to "purge the Jewish power in the Bolsheviks" etc.

I also had a Russian tell me that Stalin went to war with Hitler due to Jewish interference in Russia, because they Jewish Bolsheviks were upset over Hitler's antisemitism and wanted to provoke a war (same with the UK, etc)

LOL

I think Russian kids think the monster under their bed is a 4 foot tall big hooked nose Jew with a nasty grin who wants to steal their candy money.

haha

It seems for this that the Russians especially hate the Jews, as saying that the Jews are out to destory reminds me alot when some people are moaning about how evil and cunning the Jews are and all this stuff.

It's partly historical, and partly because Jews were (and are) heavily overrepresented in communist parties, especially in the early stages. This probably led to the view of Jew=communist murderer, causing a lot of resentment in Eastern Europe.

The thing about this is that the Jews are probably in control of about almost everything media related and perhaps that's a reason for people to envy their overratedness so it shouldn't be too much of a shock.

[Amoniustauns]

Ive often thought this, but believe it or not, anti semitism was until recently included in certain text books in high schools, it is now intrenched in their psyche. There is no shame in being anti semetic also to most Poles I have met, shameful really.

[nd90t3sf]

Medvedev is a Joo, so Russians can't be that anti-semitic, considering he got over 70% of the popular vote. Most Russian jews left for Israel even before the iron curtain fell.

[IoninnyHaro]

Medvedev is a Joo, so Russians can't be that anti-semitic, considering he got over 70% of the popular vote. Most Russian jews left for Israel even before the iron curtain fell.

he is not Jewish.

Medvedev's father was a Professor at the Leningrad Institute of Technology, Anatoly Afanasevich Medvedev (November 1926 — 2004);[4][5] his mother is Yulia Veniaminovna Medvedeva (née Shaposhnikova, born 21 November 1939),[6] and brought up in the Kupchino district of Leningrad. His maternal grandparents were Ukrainians, whose surname was Kovalev, originally Koval. Medeved traces these genealogical roots to the Belgorod region.[7] Moscow would burn if Putin put a Jew in office.

Then again...well

Russia's Medvedev faces anti-Semitic attacks
By Amie Ferris-Rotman

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Allegations by nationalists that Vladimir Putin's chosen successor, Dmitry Medvedev, has Jewish roots have brought anti-Semitism to the surface on the margins of Russia's presidential election campaign.

The first deputy prime minister, who is all but assured of victory on Sunday because he has Putin's support, has said he belongs to the Russian Orthodox faith.

But some nationalist groups say his mother's maiden name, Shaposhnikova, is Jewish, and that he is unfit to be president because of this.

Medvedev's campaign staff declined to confirm or deny he has Jewish roots. The Kremlin condemns all forms of anti-Semitism.

Medvedev's faith has not been raised by mainstream media but has been widely discussed on far-right Internet discussion groups in postings that are a reminder of the discrimination and persecution Jews in Russia have faced for hundreds of years.

"It's common knowledge. Medvedev never hid his sympathy towards Judaism," Nikolai Bondarik, who heads the nationalist Russian Party in Medvedev's home town of St Petersburg, told Reuters.

"A president ought to be related by blood with his people. Imagine if Japan was run by a Chinese president," he said. There was a reason Jews were so quick to leave.

Well by Jewish law I guess he is a Jew, his father is Russian.


But he said he is actually of Armenian ancestry:

Dmitry Medvedev: I'm Not Jewish, I'm Armenian

NRO:

That's Funny, He Doesn't Look Armenian [John Derbyshire]

Russian president Dmitry Medvedev is Armenian. Who knew?

The following is translated from a Dutch source. I reproduce it as I got it.

A Russian journalist to RIA Novosti asked Russian President Dmitry Medvedev if he has Jewish ancestry?

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev replied that the rumors about his Jewish ancestry are inaccurate. He added that his ancestors are from Adana (Western Armenia in Turkey now) but he was born in Russia. He added in "I want everyone to be clear that I am Armenian, surname of my mother was Naxshikyan what the word Naxshik comes oudarmeens. The surname of my father was Bagratyan. This name is also purely Armenian. I was forced to change name to be head of Russian secret service (KGB) in France to work the cold war times. Since France had large Armenian community should not Arms Irish secret service agent working in France. That I have an Armenian surname changed to Russian. I am 100% Armenian." Finally the Russian President says he is proud of his Armenian parents and ancestors. [link] LOL Russians call Armenians "blacks" (cherny) haha


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ohn-derbyshire

Man that dude surely doesn't look 100% Armenian, I don't believe that, he is a Jew. haha

[NeroASERCH]

Poles and other Eastern Europeans have traditionally had a strong dislike towards Jews because they tended to be moneylenders and the middle men in business transactions. Actually every European group has a dislike for Jews. However, Jews in Western Europe were few during the modern era compared to Eastern Europe and so their hatred is much more intense and rabid.

There is a deep hatred towards what is referred to as "middle men minorities", whether they are Jewish, Chinese in Malaysia, or Lebanese Christians in Africa because they're not seen as people who work for their pay. This is the common belief towards middle man minorities across the globe. Yet so little would get done if these middle men minorities didn't exist. Who likes to pay back a person, someone who is an "other" in many ways, with interest, and will take you to court if you dont' pay? No one likes to pay up or suffer legal consequences. But there are worse consequences when not having readily available money to borrow or being too ignorant to acquire needed services through your own means.

The extent in which Jews were money lenders is often exaggerated and not to mention, people forget that many Jews were at various times excluded from many professions. Many Jews were also physicians, lawyers, school teachers, dentists, etc. They were quite renowned to fill in career gaps. You cannot compare the Jews in Europe and the Middle East to unemployed immigrants seeking welfare cheques. I believe part of the disliking was partially at a smaller scale envy related, but probably more so with regards to their exclusivity, which may have appeared as anti-social to many Europeans. I think its a shame people forget how Jews frequently fought wars with their host people and readily adopted many local customs. Compare the Ashkenazim from Germany today and the Sephardim from Bulgaria or Turkey and tell me they are not behaviourally any different to a Samaritan? IMO they are soo obviously Europeanised. Yiddish, Ladino and Yevanic are most certainly European languages linguistically.

It has not occured to me that Slavs are anti-Jewish either. The Slavs i have met appear the opposite. I have known Poles whose ancestors have suffered at the hands of Nazism.