[Chiquita]

I haven't come across Cabo Verdeans to make a guess. I recall Oditous and the poster Storm are the only ones that have met substantial members of both nationalities and have commented on the differences before.
There is a large Cabo Verdean population in MA, USA, and there is a significant Brazilian and Domincian one there too. . I've haven't heard anyone from those parts remark on any physcial similarities.

[Loopyjr]

I haven't come across Cabo Verdeans to make a guess. I recall Oditous and the poster Storm are the only ones that have met substantial members of both nationalities and have commented on the differences before.
There is a large Cabo Verdean population in MA, USA, and there is a significant Brazilian and Domincian one there too. . I've haven't heard anyone from those parts remark on any physcial similarities.

The Brazilians in MA are not the mulattoes brazilians we are talking about. I've worked with Portuguese speaking community in this area for many years and the brazilians are mostly "white" brazilians. The DR's however in NE are of the mulattoes type, take a drive to Providence RI(southside) where there is a high concentration of them you will see DR's that for the most part look like this :
http://www.adventures.org/a/fym/imag...R-photos-3.jpg

This would not even be discussed if there was not a highly noticeable overlap in phenotype btwn CV and DRs. It a known fact that when someone asks in the states what do CV's look like the first description that is give is "they look dominican".

These are the typical CV looking girls and if someone told you they were DR no one bat an eye. The only difference is that DR girls straighten there religiously which makes them look less African, while CV girls keep theirs curly.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_pirZ0ttbwtg/TE...0/DSC_0042.JPG

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I don't know about anyone one else, butthe DR's I've seen in my life seem to mostly look like this and they the majority of CV's do look like that:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_69u2CK25Ca...nicans+NYC.jpg

http://www.ethnicnewz.org/files/imag...04%202009).jpg

http://luperoninfo.com/images/dominicans3.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/dominican...ce01e6680a.jpg

Cape Verdean club:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_pirZ0ttbwtg/S3...c/DSC01479.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_pirZ0ttbwtg/S9...k/IMG_3691.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_pirZ0ttbwtg/S9...E/IMG_3715.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_pirZ0ttbwtg/S9...s/IMG_3722.jpg

[Savviioor]

The Brazilians in MA are not the mulattoes brazilians we are talking about. I've worked with Portuguese speaking community in this area for many years and the brazilians are mostly "white" brazilians. The DR's however in NE are of the mulattoes type, take a drive to Providence RI(southside) where there is a high concentration of them you will see DR's that for the most part look like this :
http://www.adventures.org/a/fym/imag...R-photos-3.jpg

This would not even be discussed if there was not a highly noticeable overlap in phenotype btwn CV and DRs. It a known fact that when someone asks in the states what do CV's look like the first description that is give is "they look dominican".

These are the typical CV looking girls and if someone told you they were DR no one bat an eye. The only difference is that DR girls straighten there religiously which makes them look less African, while CV girls keep theirs curly.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_pirZ0ttbwtg/TE...0/DSC_0042.JPG

Listen, I am Dominican and have lived up and down the East Coast from MA to NJ, I know what Dominicans look like in this area. That being said, I have no idea why you quoted me. I don't have much first hand experience with Cape Verdeans here, and to tell you the truth outside of their enclave, most LatinAmericans do not know what a Cape Verdean is. The poster Oditous made a post on their similarities and differences in this thread and he's seen both. I trust his observations based on his posting history.
Based on pics I've seen in various galleries, and other posters comments (who've seen both), the differences go much farther than just who straightens their hair to what degree (a comment that has trollish vibes, but I'll ignore it).

BTW, feel free to make your opinion known. Seems like you feel very strongly about this.

[Franchise]

Listen, I am Dominican and have lived up and down the East Coast from MA to NJ, I know what Dominicans look like in this area. That being said, I have no idea why you quoted me. I don't have much first hand experience with Cape Verdeans here, and to tell you the truth outside of their enclave, most LatinAmericans do not know what a Cape Verdean is. The poster Oditous made a post on their similarities and differences in this thread and he's seen both. I trust his observations based on his posting history.
Based on pics I've seen in various galleries, and other posters comments (who've seen both), the differences go much farther than just who straightens their hair to what degree (a comment that has trollish vibes, but I'll ignore it).

BTW, feel free to make your opinion known. Seems like you feel very strongly about this.

Who cares if Latin America knows what CV is, that not the point.
I happen to be a CV in the states and am very familiar with the phenotype here. I live in an area that's highly DR and PR.
I grew up with with DR's PR's and CV's so I'm talking what I know. I corrected you because I know your Brazilian comment was wrong. Call it trolling whateva...it's the truth. Many groups overlap in looks it does not mean anything, it's just part of being human and sharing similar history and lineage.

[Ruidselisse]

Who cares if Latin America knows what CV is, that not the point.
I happen to be a CV in the states and am very familiar with the phenotype here. I live in an area that's highly DR and PR.
I grew up with with DR's PR's and CV's so I'm talking what I know. I corrected you because I know your Brazilian comment was wrong. Call it trolling whateva...it's the truth. Many groups overlap in looks it does not mean anything, it's just part of being human and sharing similar history and lineage.

The comment regarding LatinAmerican's not really knowing about Cape Verdeans was in reference to this comment you made:
It a known fact that when someone asks in the states what do CV's look like the first description that is give is "they look dominican". ^
Like I said, there is a substantial Dominican population in MA, as well as other Latinos. I've never heard any of them make anytype of comment on Cape Verdeans. Perhaps you have, but I haven't. There is no wrong or right because these are both personal experiences.

My Brazilian comment wasn't wrong because there is a Brazilian population in MA. What you did was comment as to what most look like (their phenotype/ancestry).

[Abofedrorobox]

The comment regarding LatinAmerican's not really knowing about Cape Verdeans was in reference to this comment you made:

That comment was a general statement, of what happens in the states when anyone asks what CV's people look like. People say they look DR, because it's the closest group we look like here in the States.

Like I said, there is a substantial Dominican population in MA, as well as other Latinos. I've never heard any of them make any type of comment on Cape Verdeans. Perhaps you have, but I haven't. There is no wrong or right because these are both personal experiences. I don't think anyone is walking around making comments about looking CV or DR, but we confuse each other all the time.
My Brazilian comment wasn't wrong because there is a Brazilian population in MA. What you did was comment as to what most look like (their phenotype/ancestry). I don't know why you would relate "white" Brazilian immigrants in NE to DR or CV's who are clearly visibly "mulattoes". That's all I meant. I think the Brazilians that are being talked about are AFro brazilians type that you would find in Bahia.

[indahouweres]

That comment was a general statement, of what happens in the states when anyone asks what CV's people look like. People say they look DR, because it's the closest group we look like here in the States.



I don't think anyone is walking around making comments about looking CV or DR, but we confuse each other all the time.


I don't know why you would relate "white" Brazilian immigrants in NE to DR or CV's who are clearly visibly "mulattoes". That's all I meant. I think the Brazilians that are being talked about are AFro brazilians type that you would find in Bahia.

Ok...

[Ztcgtqvb]

^this party is probably for brava or fogo people, people from those islands are known to be more lightskin than the average capeverdian.

I would argue worldwide they make up the biggest CV population. The numbers in America are staggering compared to CV. The community has pretty much stayed intact.

[skydaypat]

I would argue worldwide they make up the biggest CV population. The numbers in America are staggering compared to CV. The community has pretty much stayed intact.

If every Cape Verdean moved back to the islands, light/medium skinned mulattoes with mixed features would outnumber clearly those who are pure black.

[Diandaplaipsy]

If every Cape Verdean moved back to the islands, light/medium skinned mulattoes with mixed features would outnumber clearly those who are pure black.

Mulattoes already outnumber pure blacks in Cape Verde by like 80 to 20%

[id2008]

Mulattoes already outnumber pure blacks in Cape Verde by like 80 to 20%

Another observation I've made is that as a whole, Cape Verdeans would be perceived as a Latin American people before they'd be perceived as African American, in the US anyway. I've never met a Cape Verdean American who looked like an average African American.

[Optosypoeds]

If every Cape Verdean moved back to the islands, light/medium skinned mulattoes with mixed features would outnumber clearly those who are pure black.

Cape Verdeans from Santiago are often shown because they are the root of our culture even though less in numbers(if you are looking at African admixture), we are a extension of them and they are the beginning of Cape Verde as we know it today, but in the next couple of generation they will completly melt in to the population.

[pkopwqzsdcvbn]

Cape Verdeans from Santiago are often shown because they are the root of our culture even though less in numbers(if you are looking at African admixture), we are a extension of them and they are the beginning of Cape Verde.

That's a good point. I never thought of that.


Do you think Cape Verdean mulattoes are genetically leaning more toward African or European? Or do you think genetic contribution would be even?

[themsrsdude]

That's a good point. I never thought of that.


Do you think Cape Verdean mulattoes are genetically leaning more toward African or European? Or do you think genetic contribution would be even?

African in most places, but we are generational mulattoes so we've mixed over and over again so percentage is not really good way to look at us.

[BrodiKennedy]

African in most places, but we are generational mulattoes so we've mixed over and over again so percentage is not really good way to look at us.

I was told my great grandfather is considered a 'white' Cape Verdean. This is him and my grandmother, what do they look to you? I've seen many people from Brava with their look but they'd stand out on most other islands.

[Creelaleps]

I was told my great grandfather is considered a 'white' Cape Verdean. This is him and my grandmother, what do they look to you? I've seen many people from Brava with their look but they'd stand out on most other islands.

Your great grandfather looked like many light skinned cape verdean do, my grandfather happened to look like him. I think him being called white in CV would have more to do with his physical appearance than what anyone actually thought his race was. This is assuming he was born and raised and his lineage is from Cape Verd. For example a Portuguese governor moving to islands would be called white on a racial level. Cape Verdeans often label each white, black, morena, mulatta, preta, etc on physical appearance rather than racial classification.

[famosetroie]

Your great grandfather looked like many light skinned cape verdean do, my grandfather happened to look like him. I think him being called white in CV would have more to do with his physical appearance than what anyone actually thought his race was. This is assuming he was born and raised and his lineage is from Cape Verd. For example a Portuguese governor moving to islands would be called white on a racial level. Cape Verdeans often label each white, black, morena, mulatta, preta, etc on physical appearance rather than racial classification.

Well he was (as far as we know) of predominantly Portuguese descent but our family had been in CV, they were not recent Portuguese immigrants. I often see lighter skinned Cape Verdeans with his look so I take it that it's not too uncommon. Do you think he could pass for an average Portuguese too? Some people have said he looks strictly European but I don't know about that. My mom got a 23andme autosomal test and it said 100% white, but I don't trust it.. we have relatives who look more clearly mixed.


23andme also indicated that Oditous is my mother's 5th cousin.

[rsdefwgxvcfdts]

Dominicans have similar input to cape verdeans with a couple of Differences.

Dominicans have Amerindian (this has already been said) although not enough to be very disticnt from cape verdeans.

Dominicans have more central-african input, although not as much as Brazil.

As far as female bodies from a male persepective is that Dominican women have more "booty" on average then cape verdean women. Perhaps this is due to the higher concentration of central-african input in D.R. Or because Cape Verde's continental African input is mostly Sengambian. Not saying Cape Verdean women dont have alot of booty, but on average from the one's i've seen here in the eastern u.s and the ones i seen from the galleries Oditous has posted there is an obvious difference.

But as far as phenotype, the face itself its almost impossible to tell apart cape verdeans from Dominicans most of hte time. Although i'd say Haitian mulattos look even MORE like Dominicans.

[parurorges]

Perhaps this is due to the higher concentration of central-african input in D.R. Or because Cape Verde's continental African input is mostly Sengambian.

I thought African ancestry in Dominicans is also Senegambian?

[anxpuna]

Well he was (as far as we know) of predominantly Portuguese descent but our family had been in CV, they were not recent Portuguese immigrants. I often see lighter skinned Cape Verdeans with his look so I take it that it's not too uncommon. Do you think he could pass for an average Portuguese too? Some people have said he looks strictly European but I don't know about that. My mom got a 23andme autosomal test and it said 100% white, but I don't trust it.. we have relatives who look more clearly mixed.


23andme also indicated that Oditous is my mother's 5th cousin.

He would fall under this range which is not uncommon at all especially here in the states the woman and the child. Most of my mother's relatives including her look like that.