[Flalafuse]

Muslim Slavs are almost certainly not real Slavs as the only way they would have become Muslims is most likely by inter-mixing with Turk types.

Spermfront/Blood and Honour prejudice does not equal genetic truth.

BTW Turks (in most cases) aren't exactly some alien race far removed from Europeans, very close to Cypriots and fairly close to Greeks.


Anyway, aren't Albanians and Kosovars also Muslim Slavs?

[soineeLom]

Muslim Slavs are almost certainly not real Slavs as the only way they would have become Muslims is most likely by inter-mixing with Turk types.

That's not the truth for majority of Muslim Slavs. Ottoman empire gave lot of benefits for those who would turn Muslim, but also there was violent Islamization is some parts

[SingleMan]

Anyway, aren't Albanians and Kosovars also Muslim Slavs?

Nooo, they have their own culture, history, language and genes

[QWNPdpr5]

True. I do know that Bosniaks are more culturally European (and less worthless, let's be honest) than Albanians, but they are still muslims. I basically see them as wannabe Turks who don't belong in Europe, and from what I had read I thought most real Slavs agreed with me. Guess not.

Some Albanian must have messed you up really bad man, I mean it, don't blame all Albanians just because one Albanian stole your GF or wife.

Nooo, they have their own culture, history, language and genes

Albanians are not SLavs but Albanians are Indo European Speaking people with their own unique history and a very similar Genetic to the Serbs, Macedonians, Greeks and Montenegrians.

you can't deny this no matter how many photo-shoots you do.

[werkeeque]

very similar Genetic to the Serbs, Macedonians, Greeks and Montenegrians.

Try genetic studies to read.

You are not near to the Serbs and Montenegrins

[Woziwfaq]

Nooo, they have their own culture, history, language and genes

Culture, History, Language perhaps, but genes, is there any proof of that?

[BodoidearoLew]

Culture, History, Language perhaps, but genes, is there any proof of that?

Yes. With some mistakes in numbers (there is only data on Dalmatian Croatians in total).

But total picture about Albania compare to others you can see

[poulaMahmah]

Try genetic studies to read.

You are not near to the Serbs and Montenegrins

I have read enough, you are a blatant liar in the other thread you posted fabricated statistics where you said there were 27% J2b Amongst Albanians which is totally wrong.

COUNTLESS Genetic Studies have shown that Albanians are genetically close to Serbs, Montenegrians.

WE ARE VERY NEAR TO THE SERBS AND MONTENEGRIANS

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...f/5200443a.pdf

Show me a Genetic study where it says that Albanians are genetically distant from the Serbs and Montenegrians the same way they are distant to Germans and Somalis.

Cut your crap don't give me your lame ass Haplogroup percentage cuz it has nothing to do with it and show me some real scientific studies where it says that Albanians are genetically Distant people from their Balkan neighbors.

I just posted one which Proves my point.


Albanian HGs

I 23%, R1a 9%, R1b 16%, G 2%, J2 24%, J1 3.5%, E V13 22%

Serbian HGs

I 35%, R1a 15%, R1b 7%, G 1%, J2 10%, J1 1%, E V13 24%, T 7%

[johnteriz]

I've always seen Muslim Balkan people as the product of a rather funny historical twist, just like Anglicans in the UK. They descend from people who had a greater intimacy with Ottoman power. Nothing wrong with that IMO : it's better being in power than being a martyr for centuries even though one can truly admire the peoples who maintained their ancestral faith in spite of repression.

Had the Soviet Union not collapsed, our perception of Islam would be different. It'd just be that one monotheistic sect of the "East". A fact is that Islam has replaced communism as the new International. As a consequence, anecdotical people who had converted to Islam some centuries ago such as the Albanians or the Bosniaks (the case of Muslim Greeks was more harshly ended) became objects of sedition. Hence the many wars in the Balkans.

One can only miss the times when the presence of Muslim communities in Europe was anecdotical. In a way, we are paying the destruction of the Ottoman Empire : despite Kemal's ideals, it cannot be denied that modern Turkish identity was based on the Muslim faith. Islam united Anatolians and some Balkanic people under a common identity named Turkish. The creation of a Turkish ethnic identity out of numerous Muslim Anatolian and Balkanic peoples induced the creation of other ethnic identities such as the Bosniaks. Note that the Serbs and the Croats also lately defined themselves on religious issues.

To sum up, Muslim Slavs should have remained an anecdotical twist of History, a remnant of centuries of Ottoman rule. The creation of modern Turkey, the massive exchange of population in post-Sèvres SE Europe, the fall of communism as an international ideology have reinforced the distinctive ethnic character of Muslim Slavs and one can fear that pan-slavism or the EU won't be enough to put a stop to a newly formed ethnic pride.

[LillyPlay]

Yes. With some mistakes in numbers (there is only data on Dalmatian Croatians in total).

But total picture about Albania compare to others you can see

Bulgaria has more I haplogroup then Croatia and almost same as Bosnia-Herzegovina

[TodeImmabbedo]

WE ARE VERY NEAR TO THE SERBS AND MONTENEGRIANS

Oh... wanabe Serb Albanian

epic fail

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Bulgaria has more I haplogroup then Croatia and almost same as Bosnia-Herzegovina

Yeah, I know, lame, but there is most big collection of data on Greeks etc.

[VardyCodarexyz]

Oh... wanabe Serb Albanian

epic fail

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Yeah, I know, lame, but there is most big collection of data on Greeks etc.

You see all that big Albanian flag with Skenderbeg on my Avatar???

does that look Serb Wannabe???

check my Profile PIC with Adem Jashari, will that look Serb Wannabe.

I am not a Serb wannabe I am just allergic to low IQ stupid liars that fabricate facts to use them on their own racist agenda.

You can NEVER prove that Albanians are Genetically Distant from the Rest of the Balkan people and especially their surrounding neighboring nations.

Now back to your Photo-shoot I think you are done shaving your chest.

[CreativeSuiteDown]

Ylle:
http://mlicanin.weebly.com/uploads/3...lavije.pdf.pdf
from here you can see clear difference between Serbs from Belgrade and Kosovo Albanians from Pristina.
Look at 2nd page you got a table there

[avarberickibe]

Ylle:
http://mlicanin.weebly.com/uploads/3...lavije.pdf.pdf
from here you can see clear difference between Serbs from Belgrade and Kosovo Albanians from Pristina.
Look at 2nd page you got a table there

I am sure I am genetically different from an Albanian from TIrana there is no doubt about that, we are genetically different, what did you expect that we are genetically the same, but the Question is HOW DIFFERENT?????

is a Serb Genetically distant from an Albanian as much as he is Genetically DIstant from a Danish man or an Arab????

I highly doubt we are that Genetically different, if you read my posts you will see that I said we are genetically SIMILAR not the SAME.

[Arximedus]

Do Albanians feel closer related to Bosniaks than to non-Mohammedan Balkan Slavs ?

[+++Poguru+++]

Do Albanians feel closer related to Bosniaks than to non-Mohammedan Balkan Slavs ?

to none of them.

we feel as close to Bosniaks as to Bulgarians, we consider them Slavs.

and I don't see what does it have to do with Religion.

Bosniak, Croat, Serb = Slav = Non Albanian.

[HakTaisanip]

I am sure I am genetically different from an Albanian from TIrana there is no doubt about that, we are genetically different, what did you expect that we are genetically the same, but the Question is HOW DIFFERENT?????

I can't tell about Albania as I don't have info's
is a Serb Genetically distant from an Albanian as much as he is Genetically DIstant from a Danish man or an Arab???? No
I highly doubt we are that Genetically different, if you read my posts you will see that I said we are genetically SIMILAR not the SAME. Don't get upset so easily.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4350/exyukosovo.jpg
Here it is the table, I've cut it out. No offense but it seems there is at least like 30-40% difference between Pristina Albanians and Belgrade Serbs

[Mangoman]

I can't tell about Albania as I don't have info's

No

Don't get upset so easily.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4350/exyukosovo.jpg
Here it is the table, I've cut it out. No offense but it seems there is at least like 30-40% difference between Pristina Albanians and Belgrade Serbs

I am not upset at all, I clearly know what I am about.

that thing doesn't show genetic distance since it only shows Haplogroups and haplogroups don't mean anything when we are talking about Genetic Similarity between two nations.


Cameroon Bantu Speakers bear more than 90% R1b Haplogroup but they are not Genetically close to Irish people.

Genetic Similarity is a different thing and Haplogroups are a different thing besides haplogroup E1b1b ( E V13 ) is a Neolithic Marker which Probably was born in the Balkans 10 000 - 13 000 Years ago, the only older Haplogroup in the Balkans than E1b1b is Haplogroup I.

Other Haplogroups like R1a and so on were introduced later to the ballkans

[ordercigsnick]

I am not upset at all, I clearly know what I am about.

that thing doesn't show genetic distance since it only shows Haplogroups and haplogroups don't mean anything when we are talking about Genetic Similarity between two nations.


Cameroon Bantu Speakers bear more than 90% R1b Haplogroup but they are not Genetically close to Irish people.

Genetic Similarity is a different thing and Haplogroups are a different thing besides haplogroup E1b1b ( E V13 ) is a Neolithic Marker which Probably was born in the Balkans 10 000 - 13 000 Years ago, the only older Haplogroup in the Balkans than E1b1b is Haplogroup I.

Other Haplogroups like R1a and so on were introduced later to the ballkans

Correct, but since they are not planing to do it some time soon, all we can do is wait

[MyLeva]

Correct, but since they are not planing to do it some time soon, all we can do is wait

I agree but some people like AHA are trying to spread their anti-Intellectual bullshit all over the boards just to fit their racist propaganda, I got nothing against not being close to Bosniaks or Croats or Serbs, it doesn't affect me at all and I couldn't care less about it, what sucks is that liars and propagators are trying to act smart and think we all eat grass.

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Try genetic studies to read.

You are not near to the Serbs and Montenegrins

European Journal of Human Genetics (2000) 8, 480–486
y © 2000 Macmillan Publishers Ltd All rights reserved 1018–4813/00

www.nature.com/ejhg

ARTICLE

Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania and the
genetic structure of Indo-European populations

Michele Belledi1, Estella S Poloni2, Rosa Casalotti1, Franco Conterio1, Ilia Mikerezi3,
James Tagliavini1 and Laurent Excoffier2

1Dipartimento di Biologia Evolutiva e Funzionale, Universit`a di Parma, Italy; 2D´epartement d’Anthropologie et
Ecologie, Universit´e de Gen`eve, Switzerland; 3Fakulteti I Shkenkave Natyrore, Universiteti I Tiranes, Albania

Mitochondrial DNA HV1 sequences and Y chromosome haplotypes (DYS19 STR and YAP) were characterised in an Albanian sample and compared with those of several other Indo-European populations from the European continent. No significant difference was observed between Albanians and most other Europeans, despite the fact that Albanians are clearly different from all other Indo-Europeans linguistically.

We observe a general lack of genetic structure among Indo-European populations for both maternal and paternal polymorphisms, as well as low levels of correlation between linguistics and genetics, even though slightly more significant for the Y chromosome than for mtDNA. Altogether, our results show that the linguistic structure of continental Indo-European populations is not reflected in the variability of the mitochondrial and Y chromosome markers. This discrepancy could be due to very recent differentiation of Indo-European populations in Europe and/or substantial amounts of gene flow among these populations.

European Journal of Human Genetics (2000) 8, 480–486.


read full article here:http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...f/5200443a.pdf