[Pyuvjzwf]

Black people are relatively well integrated into British society. They largely speak with accents local to the area they live in, while on the other hand even the children of Muslims still seem to speak with this Pakistani or Arabic inspired accent, they don't have so much reservation to living in the same areas as non-blacks (muslims mostly seem to want to live in their muslim areas) and there generally seems to be far less of a culture clash.

My answer is black people in general tend to be Christian, so they have no issues with the UK as a society and its Christian foundations, whereas Muslims seem to think the whole world revolves around them and they absolutely detest the Christian fabric of Europe and christian based culture. If they hate Christianity so much it makes you wonder why they moved here in the first place.

[QualityReachOut]

Perhaps because they have a slave mentality and obeys its the british masters.

[Justlovemy]

Perhaps because they have a slave mentality and obeys its the british masters.

Oh dear, some holier than thou Swede who thinks his left-wing, socialist namby pamby outlook is so superior to the rest of Europe. Reality check - the UK is probably far less racist than Sweden. Outside Stockholm and Malmo, the Swedes are a bunch of insular, rural country folk who have probably only seen black people in British and American films. For the average Swede a trip to Stockholm is a daunting trip to the ghetto where a few scary black people and somalis live. Shit, we have more immigrants than your entire population.

[BorBitExatini]

Black people are relatively well integrated into British society. They largely speak with accents local to the area they live in, while on the other hand even the children of Muslims still seem to speak with this Pakistani or Arabic inspired accent, they don't have so much reservation to living in the same areas as non-blacks (muslims mostly seem to want to live in their muslim areas) and there generally seems to be far less of a culture clash.

My answer is black people in general tend to be Christian, so they have no issues with the UK as a society and its Christian foundations, whereas Muslims seem to think the whole world revolves around them and they absolutely detest the Christian fabric of Europe and christian based culture. If they hate Christianity so much it makes you wonder why they moved here in the first place.

I for one must wonder and say that because blacks are more open to following the British system apart from just being Christians more quicker than Muslims.

[enasseneiff]

Huh?

Black people have their own African or Jamaican inspired accent the same way Pakistanis have their own Pakistani inspired accent. In fact Muslims generally copy black trends.

Black people, for the most part, live in neighbourhoods consisting mainly of other black people, as do Pakistanis, Bangladeshis etc.

I'm not hating on black people here at all, but statistics show that Afro-Caribbeans are the likeliest to commit crime. The most logical way to explain this is that there exists a culture clash.

It is true black people are better integrated however Muslims have been in the country for much less time and the conditions in which they arrived to the country are very different. This is similar to a third-gen Jamaican being more successfully integrated than a first generation African that has been living in England for 30 years.

Islam is, indeed, also a reason for black people being better integrated. Because Muslims arrive in England with, most of the time, a very conservative attitude and they are afraid of integrating but I disagree on the subject that they believe the world revolves around them, that occurs with every kind of person if you hold their rights above others'.

[Vigeommighica]

My opinion, the difference is the level of the established culture and how political biased are the Muslims.


Black have a rich culture but they never were empire and they have never been enemies of the west, besides the fact that the west was bad in the past with the african societies.
Muslims were and still are an empire, the have power in the middle east, they have been in war with the west, the have a stronger identity tie to their culture, religion and law. Also Muslims are biased by the new radical Muslim ideology (Tehran, Hamas, Hezbola). Most arab (mainly muslim) countries are in war with Israel which is the biggest ally of the wester society.

Language is another barrier, most Africans speaks Dutch, French and English (due to the colonization), muslims dont they use a different alphabet. You may notice that Palestinians and Pakistanis, who were a British colony, have better integration in the British society.

[Plulpangepler]

Some Black people are also Muslim. There are a lot of places with concentrations of African and Caribbean people in the UK. Colonisation is one of the reasons for easy integration, many black people came from countries that have some sort of British influence. Many of the population of black people in the UK are Caribbean, many of these Caribbean people already have much of the culture of the UK on their islands like names, language (official languages are only English), and many of them were invited over instead of being refugees or political immigrants. Africans are also less likely to influence any culture anywhere, maybe because they lack confidence in them. Many Caribbean people, who have solid confidence in their cultures, have influenced British society like with slang and dressing. The fact that most of them are Christian is also significant though, but even if they weren't they'd still integrate like they do now.

[usacomm]

It depends on which Blacks...when you are a practicing Anglican, with a name like Maxwell Sinclair or whatever, and you were born and raised in England, you will obviously have an easier time than someone named Javeed Shah Khan who was born in Islamabad and is a practicing Muslim.

[freevideoandoicsI]

Black people, for the most part, live in neighbourhoods consisting mainly of other black people, as do Pakistanis, Bangladeshis etc.

Not always by choice.

[Indessasp]

Not always by choice.

This is what I was getting at, most black British (non-muslim) people wouldn't have any reservations living in a predominantly white area, while many British muslims would be greatly opposed to the idea.

[EarnestKS]

Huh?

Black people have their own African or Jamaican inspired accent the same way Pakistanis have their own Pakistani inspired accent. In fact Muslims generally copy black trends.

Black people, for the most part, live in neighbourhoods consisting mainly of other black people, as do Pakistanis, Bangladeshis etc.

I'm not hating on black people here at all, but statistics show that Afro-Caribbeans are the likeliest to commit crime. The most logical way to explain this is that there exists a culture clash.

It is true black people are better integrated however Muslims have been in the country for much less time and the conditions in which they arrived to the country are very different. This is similar to a third-gen Jamaican being more successfully integrated than a first generation African that has been living in England for 30 years.

Islam is, indeed, also a reason for black people being better integrated. Because Muslims arrive in England with, most of the time, a very conservative attitude and they are afraid of integrating but I disagree on the subject that they believe the world revolves around them, that occurs with every kind of person if you hold their rights above others'.

Just look at out marriage rates, that is the best way to show integration in most nations when the population you are talking about is a real immigrant community.

Afro-Caribbeans men marry out at about 50%, women about 30%.

With Africans it is lower, however Africans (not including Somalis) are wealthier and less crime prone because they come to the country or did come with more education than Afro-Caribbeans (who like Pakistanis) came as cheap labor.

Judging by the states the from England and Wales Statistic office, which can be found on line, the "black" population (especially Afro-Caribbean) will disappear in the next 3 generations.

The Muslim one will not.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1090

Black carribean
male - 29%
female - 20%

Black African
male - 18%
female - 15%

Other Black
male - 48%
female - 34%

I imagine SubSaharan African E is the fastest spreading nonNative Y Haplogroup in the UK. haha

Anyway my numbers above were exaggerated, but this is still high...compared with Pakistanis


http://www.statistics.gov.uk/images/charts/1090a.gif

They barely marry out, men or women. Bangladeshis are worse.

It appears people already "mixed" almost always don;t marry someone else who is mixed. haha, not shocking I guess.

[TineSeign]

Just look at out marriage rates, that is the best way to show integration in most nations when the population you are talking about is a real immigrant community.

Afro-Caribbeans men marry out at about 50%, women about 30%.

With Africans it is lower, however Africans (not including Somalis) are wealthier and less crime prone because they come to the country or did come with more education than Afro-Caribbeans (who like Pakistanis) came as cheap labor.

Judging by the states the from England and Wales Statistic office, which can be found on line, the "black" population (especially Afro-Caribbean) will disappear in the next 3 generations.

The Muslim one will not.

Marrying out, imo, is not a solid sign of integration. It can also mean assimilation, which is fine as long as it suits the person who's being assimilated. Then there are people that happen to find more in common with their own ethnicity and marry their own but are fully integrated. I always believe the difference between assimilation and integration should be boldly underlined.

[T1ivuQGS]

Huh?

Black people have their own African or Jamaican inspired accent the same way Pakistanis have their own Pakistani inspired accent. In fact Muslims generally copy black trends.

Black people, for the most part, live in neighbourhoods consisting mainly of other black people, as do Pakistanis, Bangladeshis etc.

I'm not hating on black people here at all, but statistics show that Afro-Caribbeans are the likeliest to commit crime. The most logical way to explain this is that there exists a culture clash.

It is true black people are better integrated however Muslims have been in the country for much less time and the conditions in which they arrived to the country are very different. This is similar to a third-gen Jamaican being more successfully integrated than a first generation African that has been living in England for 30 years.

Islam is, indeed, also a reason for black people being better integrated. Because Muslims arrive in England with, most of the time, a very conservative attitude and they are afraid of integrating but I disagree on the subject that they believe the world revolves around them, that occurs with every kind of person if you hold their rights above others'.

True I've noticed this with Muslims, they do follow black trends. For Muslims afraid integrating I guess this could be part of the reason for them to not take part following parts of the British culture and disliking Christianity.

[emily]

True I've noticed this with Muslims, they do follow black trends. For Muslims afraid integrating I guess this could be part of the reason for them to not take part following parts of the British culture and disliking Christianity.

I think it's more a fear of being hated, which in my opinion is the cause of a lot of racism that takes place in our day. There also are massive cultural differences that divide the people even if they were intent on getting along in the first place.

[beonecenry]

True I've noticed this with Muslims, they do follow black trends. For Muslims afraid integrating I guess this could be part of the reason for them to not take part following parts of the British culture and disliking Christianity.

Hence the Ali G stereotype...a Pakistani trying to act Jamaican. (played by a Jew, should Muslims and blacks be offended by this??? haha Oh well I think it is funny as hell).

[ZESINTERS]

Just look at out marriage rates, that is the best way to show integration in most nations when the population you are talking about is a real immigrant community.

Afro-Caribbeans men marry out at about 50%, women about 30%.

With Africans it is lower, however Africans (not including Somalis) are wealthier and less crime prone because they come to the country or did come with more education than Afro-Caribbeans (who like Pakistanis) came as cheap labor.

Judging by the states the from England and Wales Statistic office, which can be found on line, the "black" population (especially Afro-Caribbean) will disappear in the next 3 generations.

The Muslim one will not.

I don't see the black population in the UK disappearing because of inter-marrying with the white population because even the stats class mixed people separately, even though mixed people marry white people more.

Many of these marriages do not necessarily draw communities together and many of the mixed marriages are more likely to fail than others. The UK still has a divide between foreigners and natives, not like segregation, but more like non-integration socially. I don't know if that made sense.

I imagine SubSaharan African E is the fastest spreading nonNative Y Haplogroup in the UK. haha

Anyway my numbers above were exaggerated, but this is still high...compared with Pakistanis


http://www.statistics.gov.uk/images/charts/1090a.gif

They barely marry out, men or women. Bangladeshis are worse.

It appears people already "mixed" almost always don;t marry someone else who is mixed. haha, not shocking I guess.

I believe once African countries start improving, the African population, especially the Nigerian population will decrease drastically in the UK as well as in the US.

[Vobomei]

I think it's more a fear of being hated, which in my opinion is the cause of a lot of racism that takes place in our day. There also are massive cultural differences that divide the people even if they were intent on getting along in the first place.

You've picked up a good point, yep culture differences and being hated and racism which plays a part of British society still today.

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Hence the Ali G stereotype...a Pakistani trying to act Jamaican. (played by a Jew, should Muslims and blacks be offended by this??? haha Oh well I think it is funny as hell).

Tell me about it, yeah very hilarious.

[Wezfyowk]

I don't see the black population in the UK disappearing because of inter-marrying with the white population because even the stats class mixed people separately, even though mixed people marry white people more.

Many of these marriages do not necessarily draw communities together and many of the mixed marriages are more likely to fail than others. The UK still has a divide between foreigners and natives, not like segregation, but more like non-integration socially. I don't know if that made sense.

None of that matters. If blacks marry white and the vast majority of those kids marry white (which they do) then eventually you won't be able to tell who is "black" or not. It doesn't take long. A person 25% African can look purely white (although not most of the time), but another generation of mixing their kids will. You think someone 25% Nigerian or 25% Jamaican in the UK whose family has been there 2 or 3 generations is going to consider themselves non-English?? I doubt it.

Maybe disappear is strong, more like "but for recent immigrants" there will be a study absorption, which you will not see with Muslims.


Here is how Pakitanis will mix with white Brits:

[Storwaytozy]

. In fact Muslims generally copy black trends.
.

Half of the African continent is Muslim

You cant speak of "black" and "muslim" as necessarily separate entities

[Vobomei]

Half of the African continent is Muslim

You cant speak of "black" and "muslim" as necessarily separate entities

Good point, I was initially going to point out that Muslims are not a race or ethnicity but I got carried away with the other points.