[Eh085zE7]

Following the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1911, the population were let off the hook, and in the absence of a strong, centralised government the country returned to savagry and war-lordism, not much better than a black negroid country like the Congo.

Ony was order essentially restored upon the Communist Party winning the civil war, the country needed a strong central government to control the population from their barbarian ways.

Perhaps the Chinese have evolved since 1911, but in the grand scheme of things that is not a very long time ago.

If a new government emerged in China that gave people more personal freedoms, and was less of a police state how long do you think it would be before dissident groups allowed freely to form would stage coups and start murdering people?

The European nations are at a higher level of intellectual enlightenment. If the central government fell in a European country and they were left without any effectual rule, I am quite certain the majority of people would be kind and civil with each other. Not so for the Chinese.

[slarceSelia]

The European nations are at a higher level of intellectual enlightenment. If the central government fell in a European country and they were left without any effectual rule, I am quite certain the majority of people would be kind and civil with each other. Not so for the Chinese.

Nazism and Communism and the death of millions show that Europeans are really enlightened.

[xADMlNx]

The Chinese are not much different from the Russians, except that they're more intelligent and harder workers. That being said, you're right. I don't see a non-totalitarian state being able to work in China for a prolonged period of time. That's why they experiment with economic freedom but not with social freedom. They don't wish to become a corrupt failing state like Russia is.

[TughEmotteTug]

The EU is a corrupt failing entity too.

[GohJHM9k]

I agree, but it's not for the same reason. China has existed for thousands of years. The EU is a botched attempt at creating a United States of Europe and incorporate many cultures that are significantly different under a single umbrella. The EEC should have been left alone, but men are fallible and government always attempts to increase its power.

Poles and Swedes may have had the same rulers in the past (under the Vasa) but they couldn't be more different, politically, linguistically, or spiritually.

[temansertewek]

The Chinese are not much different from the Russians

Indeed, when the Soviet Union fell and Boris Yeltsin came to power he tried to modernise too quickly and give the same level of personal freedom as a Western country and the result was Russia ended up being the most violent, unpredictable and dangerous place it had been in years. 90s Russia was a truly horrible place.

However, while not to the same extreme as China, Vladimir Putin restored some of the totolitarian nature of the old Soviet government and through this cut violence drastically and got Russia back on its feet.

[CuittisIL]

And as a result Putin has a larger personality cult within the Russian people than any leader in the Western world. He has become a national hero just by being more authoritative than his predecessor. Medvedev is seen as a moderate liberal, and he is less popular than Putin perhaps as a result.

[Effopsytupt]

Present totalitarism in China has only one aim: keeping Empire. If the rule of communist party was abolished the peoples of Tibet and Eastern Turkiestan would try to liberate themselves from the Han occupation.

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Poles and Swedes may have had the same rulers in the past (under the Vasa) but they couldn't be more different, politically, linguistically, or spiritually.

Yes, indeed. The customs of Scandinavians of that time were indeed strange - see the chapter "Danish women; bedroom customs" from a book containing memoirs of a Polish nobelman from the time of the Polish campaign against Swedes in Denmerk:

http://books.google.pl/books?id=mD5w...page&q&f=false

[BronUVT]

Present totalitarism in China has only one aim: keeping Empire. If the rule of communist party was abolished the peoples of Tibet and Eastern Turkiestan would try to liberate themselves from the Han occupation.

Tibet and Xinjiang have been part of China for centuries, merely having a different language does not entitle one to nation status. How about you evil Poles give those oppressed and occupied Silesians their country back? Or is that different?

[kylsq0Ln]

Tibet and Xinjiang have been part of China for centuries, merely having a different language does not entitle one to nation status.

So you are evil communist Han?

[outsitWrord]

Present totalitarism in China has only one aim: keeping Empire. If the rule of communist party was abolished the peoples of Tibet and Eastern Turkiestan would try to liberate themselves from the Han occupation.

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Yes, indeed. The customs of Scandinavians of that time were indeed strange - see the chapter "Danish women; bedroom customs" from a book containing memoirs of a Polish nobelman from the time of the Polish campaign against Swedes in Denmerk:

http://books.google.pl/books?id=mD5w...page&q&f=false

It's true, the beds were in closets. That's just the way they were, and I don't know how it was in Poland at that time. Wooden shoes have been popular all the way to WWII, after which they became less popular - and they were mostly a rural thing anyway. We still have wooden shoes for certain work, but they're not really made of wood any more, just the soles in some cases. Not that is has anything to do with China anyway.

[DJkillos]

It's true, the beds were in closets. That's just the way they were, and I don't know how it was in Poland at that time. Wooden shoes have been popular all the way to WWII, after which they became less popular - and they were mostly a rural thing anyway. We still have wooden shoes for certain work, but they're not really made of wood any more, just the soles in some cases. Not that is has anything to do with China anyway.

That's one ugly bitch as your avatar.

[GlictStiply]

It's true, the beds were in closets. That's just the way they were, and I don't know how it was in Poland at that time. Wooden shoes have been popular all the way to WWII, after which they became less popular - and they were mostly a rural thing anyway. We still have wooden shoes for certain work, but they're not really made of wood any more, just the soles in some cases. Not that is has anything to do with China anyway.

And what about women sleeping naked? Do they still do that?

[Kokomoxddcvcv]

That's one ugly bitch as your avatar.

Maybe she was ugly, so what? At least she wasn't a pathetic troll with no life.

And what about women sleeping naked? Do they still do that?

That depends. But I guess so, some do, some have underwear. It's an individual thing - we don't undress in front of guests like he describes.

[Paladin]

China is going to bring down America, just wait and see.

God damn mongorians, stop tearing down my shitty wall!

[Coollabioto]

It's like Jackie Chan said:

"I'm not sure if it's good to have freedom or not," Chan said at the Boao Forum. "If you're too free, you're like the way Hong Kong is now. It's very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic."

Chan added, "I'm gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled. If we're not being controlled, we'll just do what we want." I don't necessarily dis/agree but I was surprised he said that so openly.

[SawbasyWrab]

Following the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1911, the population were let off the hook, and in the absence of a strong, centralised government the country returned to savagry and war-lordism, not much better than a black negroid country like the Congo.

Ony was order essentially restored upon the Communist Party winning the civil war, the country needed a strong central government to control the population from their barbarian ways.

Perhaps the Chinese have evolved since 1911, but in the grand scheme of things that is not a very long time ago.

If a new government emerged in China that gave people more personal freedoms, and was less of a police state how long do you think it would be before dissident groups allowed freely to form would stage coups and start murdering people?

The European nations are at a higher level of intellectual enlightenment. If the central government fell in a European country and they were left without any effectual rule, I am quite certain the majority of people would be kind and civil with each other. Not so for the Chinese.

Good idea sergeant! Unfortunately, the whole of the Western world put together barely matches the Chinese population in terms of sheer numbers, intelligence and resourcefullness.

The Chinese economy is also already large and rapidly growing. It's too late.

Here's a rambo knife and grenade, good luck, go sort the mess out you armchair crusader.

[sonsayx]

Tibet and Xinjiang have been part of China for centuries, merely having a different language does not entitle one to nation status. How about you evil Poles give those oppressed and occupied Silesians their country back? Or is that different?

Merely having a different language... For your information, Uyghurs are Turkic and completely different from the Chinese, and have been so for thousands of years.

[Ephedrine]

China was a multi ethnic state from the start. If you go see the Terra Cotta Army which are from the Qin dynasty, you'll notice that there are a lot of different faces of different ethnicities even back then. Why can China be multi ethnical then not now?

[Xodvbooj]

Merely having a different language... For your information, Uyghurs are Turkic and completely different from the Chinese, and have been so for thousands of years.

Then why don't they piss off out of the great nation of China and back to Afghanistan, Turkey, Kazakhstan and all the other Muslim cesspits they came from.