[ExpodoDop]

I guess there's two levels to this question. How do the Han Chinese regard their country's own minorities, in particular the Uyghurs. Do the Han Chinese even regard Uyghurs as, as Chinese as them, or are they regarded as Central Asians who happen to reside in China? And also how do the Han Chinese regard external minorities, in particular blacks and middle easterns?

Although, I don't believe there is a substantial population of blacks in China as of yet, on my two week trip to Beijing last year of the whole time I saw one black family, who were American tourists and another who was a British tourist.

[turbutbamethyg]

Well,chinese don't recognise Uyghurs as a minority and opresses&assimilates them...It's hard to believe but Chinese even does nuclear tests in Eastern Turkestan And forces Uyghur girls to be labours&prostuties in Chinese cities,that's disgusting...

[finasteride]

Well,chinese don't recognise Uyghurs as a minority and opresses&assimilates them...It's hard to believe but Chinese even does nuclear tests in Eastern Turkestan And forces Uyghur girls to be labours&prostuties in Chinese cities,that's disgusting...

Okay listen, just because there are criminals in China, who could be Uyghur or Han, that traffic in humans and run brothels doesn't mean all of Chinese people treat Uyghurs like shit and oppress them. China is a third world country and just opened up its economy. All the bad elements of capitalism like prostitution flooded into China like it did in E. Europe. The government is to blame for the cultural oppression and some arrest, I'll agree with that, but there hasn't been an atmospheric test since 1980 and China signed the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and hasn't tested anything since 1996. You shouldn't generalize some incidents done by individuals and blame an entire people on it.

[Tainlyferfara]

How do they regard their minorities? With contempt.

[KLhdfskja]

Btw the only two ethnic groups that have an independence movement are the Uyghurs and the Tibetans. All other 53 ethnic minoritys, such is the Zhuang which is the largest ethnic minority have preserve their cultural identity, language and traditions and are happy to be part of China. The only reason Uyghurs and Tibetans are able to develop an independence movement is because they have political organizations outside of the China and the United States invested heavily in these groups to achieve its own political aims. For example, back in the 60s the CIA gave weapons and money to the Dalai Lama in hopes of instigating an insurgency in Tibet and to undermine the Communists in China. America uses people like the Dalai Lama and Rebiya Kadeer as a political bargaining chips vs. China to help keep it in check. The US government could care less if the Uyghurs or Tibetans die or live, but they give these independcence groups money so that they could keep China as unstable as possible so as to slow down China progress into becoming a superpower that could challenge the US for resources and global leadership. Most Westerners screaming free Tibet or free Xinjiang don't understand the complexity of the situation and can't even locate those places on a map. The reality of the situation is very different from the pitch that you hear and read about on the news here in the West.

[Waymninelia]

Btw the only two ethnic groups that have an independence movement are the Uyghurs and the Tibetans. .

A lot of the reason the Uyghurs are like they are is simply because they're Muslims. Islam has a disproportionate amount of fanatic nut jobs who cause problems anywhere they happen to be. Muslims aren't happy unless they are in charge of everything or everyone is kissing their arse.

[drugsprevi]

A lot of the reason the Uyghurs are like they are is simply because they're Muslims. Islam has a disproportionate amount of fanatic nut jobs who cause problems anywhere they happen to be. Muslims aren't happy unless they are in charge of everything or everyone is kissing their arse.

And Kashgar(the city where most of the extremist activity has been) just happens to be very close to Afghanistan is part of the reason too. Its very easy for the Uyghur militants to crossed over the border and trained with Al Qaeda and when the US went into Afghanistan they did find and arrested some Uyghurs that were there to train. Pakistan has also fought against Uyghur militants and killed the former leader of East Turkestan Islamic Movement Hasan Mahsum in '03. East Turkestan Liberation Organization(ETLO) and East Turkestan Islamic Movement(ETIM) are trying to create an armed insurgency using terrorist attack as taught by Al Qaeda and thats why the Chinese have cracked down some areas of Xinjiang like Kashgar and rested a lot of people to make sure that this terrorism doesn't spill into the East like it did right before the Beijing Olympics.

ETIM training/recruitment video


As you can see they are trying to indoctrinate children with fundamentalist Islam and training them to be terrorists.

[Sxscdergh]

Free Tibet, inner Mongolia and the Uyghur people and they can have their minorities in peace.

[RonPeeredob]

Do you even understand the reality in China and the full history of Tibetans, Uyghurs and Mongols? Tibet's history is extremely complicated and anyone making the statement that Tibet was always free or Tibet has always been part of China is making a gross oversimplification. If we're going to talk about annexation and conquest, every country, every people on this planet was guilty of it at one point in their history. This is not a valid arguing point and people should go research this in depth before the say "give Tibet back to the Tibetans or Uyghurs have lived in E. Turkestan for thousands of years."

But lets focus on what Tibet really was like before the Chinese came in and occupied it. Tibet was a medieval feudal society where slavery was rampant. Tibetan leaders ruled with an iron fist while much of the population was in shackles. 95% of Tibetans had ZERO rights before 1950. People were sold and traded in the market freely and treated as animals. There was no education, medical care, sanitation and anything that benefited all of the people. Basically, the ruling class was the law of the land the leaders rule like an absolute Monarchy. This all changed when Chinese Communists came in and undertook land reforms which FOR THE FIRST TIME game the people their own land to farm and sheep to graze, while remaining ruling class fled to India, Europe and America taking with them a large portion of Tibets wealth. Tibetans now had free education, universal health-care, food, clothing and other basic essentials and can finally pursue the arts freely. Before the only true "Tibetan" arts were restricted to the upper class Monks who painted in the monasteries, but now every Tibetan is free to pursue their arts literature etc. etc. and Tibetan culture flourished and became popular in mainstream Chinese pop culture. Of course the Cultural Revolution was a dark period in modern Chinese history where millions died as a result but what do you think Tibet would have been if the Chinese didn't free them from slavery in the first place?

Also do you even know what the Dalai Lama wants from the Chinese government? He never ever said he wants Tibetan Independence. What he actually wants is a more autonomous region and not a separate country. The Chinese government has been in constant dialogue with him and his camp in the past decades and he is welcome to return to China anytime he wants as long as he doesn't instigate any sort of separatism in Tibet.

If there's anyone to blame for Tibet's problems its the aristocracy that took run off with Tibets wealth and now are screaming down with the Commies because they lost their previleged positions and exploitative way of life and American politicians who shamelessly misinform the masses for their own political objectives while not giving two shits about the Tibetan people.

[brorialsibers]

Free Tibet, inner Mongolia and the Uyghur people and they can have their minorities in peace.

It is true, some Chinese territories belong to the Tibetans, the Indians, the Mongol and the Japanese.
It would be great to see a war in Asia to see who is the strongest, i bet for Japan (technology) and Mongolia (they already kicked chinese asses)

[tigoCeree]

It is true, some Chinese territories belong to the Tibetans, the Indians, the Mongol and the Japanese.
It would be great to see a war in Asia to see who is the strongest, i bet for Japan (technology) and Mongolia (they already kicked chinese asses)

China would def. win that war haha the Mongol's days of world domination ended 500 years ago.

[freevideoandoicsI]

It is true, some Chinese territories belong to the Tibetans, the Indians, the Mongol and the Japanese.
It would be great to see a war in Asia to see who is the strongest, i bet for Japan (technology) and Mongolia (they already kicked chinese asses)

Mongolia couldn't kick any ass these days.
A few Chinese nuclear weapons would wipe them off the face of the planet.

[mxzjxluwst]

It is true, some Chinese territories belong to the Tibetans, the Indians, the Mongol and the Japanese.
It would be great to see a war in Asia to see who is the strongest, i bet for Japan (technology) and Mongolia (they already kicked chinese asses)

China is undoubtedly the power of East Asia, if not by sheer numbers then also by technology. The Japs have turned into pacifist pansies who would get trounced in a war these days. China isn't far off having it's own space station.

[TeemFilla]

But going back to the topic, many western people, especially upper class people, scream "free Tibet" because that's what is "in" at the moment. Do you really thing Lindsay Lohan know what Tibetans are and what continent its on? Any support of the Dalai Lama should at least change their slogan from "free Tibet" to "Change Tibet from an Autonomous Region to a Special Administrative Region"

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China is undoubtedly the power of East Asia, if not by sheer numbers then also by technology. The Japs have turned into pacifist pansies who would get trounced in a war these days. China isn't far off having it's own space station.

I would completely disagree, Japan's "Self Defense Force" is more modern and major adversary to China in the open sea. Take away nuclear weapons from China its fair game for both sides.

[Evoncalabbalo]

I have a hard time feeling sorry for uyghurs, mongols, kyrgyz and the other degenerate barbarians that live in western and northern china

i hope the Han put a foot up their asses

[Amorsesombabs]

China is a piece of cake for India.

Back to the topic why China is so obsessed about Tibet, i would be better instead of wasting their money in a illegal occupation they invest their money in the poor han people of the countryside.

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I have a hard time feeling sorry for uyghurs, mongols, kyrgyz and the other degenerate barbarians that live in western and northern china

i hope the Han put a foot up their asses

You dont like mongols. right?
Im wondering why a Persian hates so much people living thousands of miles away.

[raskrutkaseo]

China is a piece of cake for India.

Back to the topic why China is so obsessed about Tibet, i would be better instead of wasting their money in a illegal occupation they invest their money in the poor han people of the countryside.

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You dont like mongols. right?
Im wondering why a Persian hates so much people living thousands of miles away.

They fucked up half of western Asia turning prosperous countryside into pasture for their stunted little ponies and wiped out great cities like Baghdad.
Reason enough?

[grizolsemn]

You dont like mongols. right?
Im wondering why a Persian hates so much people living thousands of miles away.

The live thousands of miles away now;
800 years ago they were breathing down our necks

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They fucked up half of western Asia turning prosperous countryside into pasture for their stunted little ponies and wiped out great cities like Baghdad.
Reason enough?

Persian cities in central asia and the middle-east were simply wiped out
Nishapur , Merv , Isfahan , Samarkand , Khiva , Herat , Balkh , Urgench
All destroyed

This is just a description of what happend in Nishapur:
"In the year 1000CE, it was among the 10 largest cities on earth [2]. After the husband of Genghis Khan's daughter was killed at Nishapur in 1221, she ordered the death of all in the city (~1.7 million), and the skulls of men, women, and children were piled in pyramids by the Mongols"

They are little barbarians who deserve no pity or mercy

They fought like a bunch of pansies too ; they avoided head-on clashes and instead rode around shooting arrows like a bunch of schoolgirls

[irrelaAnnekly]

China is undoubtedly the power of East Asia, if not by sheer numbers then also by technology. The Japs have turned into pacifist pansies who would get trounced in a war these days. China isn't far off having it's own space station.

As it stands now you're right...the Japanese would probably be unprepared for a war with China. But if they were to re-arm and expand their military as well as gain nuclear weapons (things that Japan could do if it wanted to) then it would be a little more complicated. My guess is that it would bog down into a stalemate. China will probably attempt to land forces on Japan but will most likely fail to conquer the country. I doubt if Japan could carry out an invasion of China...this isn't the 1930's.

[JEWELMARGY]

The North Koreans and possibly South Koreans too will get involved if Japan tries any sort of invasion of anyone.