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I do agree there are some prejudice from west to east and north to south, but I've seen people in the south and east making derogatory remarks the other way too. I wouldn't necessarily say Germanic-speakers are generally "racist" towards Slavs though. It's more to do with the idea that Eastern Europe is a grey post-Soviet bloc with poverty and low standards of living. Prejudice? Maybe. Racist? I don't think that it is. During last 100 years or more eastern Europe developed inferiority complex, most of war destruction and especially communism later on, with growing differences between the two parts. There was a lot of this looking up to the West and USA. In 1980 or 1990 whoever came to eastern block from 'the west' was treated like a messenger of freedom and love (very naive, I agree), even if it was a guitar player of a rock band who only takes drugs and shags ladies. Finally over the last years people faced more and more direct contact, plus internet, after facing patronising attitude got dissappointed, and now they often over-react with resentment or disrespect. Psychologically it is justfied, however its not a good phenomen and potentialy even dangerous. |
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Scandinavians and Mediterraneans do not have the same values, culture, religion, cuisine, taste in music, or anything for that matter. In the south you are more influenced by Christianity, while here Christianity was forced upon us through violence, and at a much later date. In the south women have had a different position in society than in the north, where women have had a lot of freedom and been associated with natural forces and magic in pagan times. The irony of your taxation comment is than not only are taxes a southern invention, but taxation and public services and public spending are the most inefficient and costly (euro by euro) in countries like Greece and Italy. Greece has/had a very costly public sector. |
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our women are more attractive I believe a South European woman is less likely than a North European to get drunk like a man when she goes out. It's unfeminine to be drunk..at least Greeks and Italians should think so. I go for North European women since they are most similar to my culture. |
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I'm not saying I disagree with you here, but your description of Nordic countries isn't based on reality but exaggerated to make them look bad (from your perspective). In the south you are more influenced by Christianity, while here Christianity was forced upon us through violence, and at a much later date. In the south women have had a different position in society than in the north, where women have had a lot of freedom and been associated with natural forces and magic in pagan times. The irony of your taxation comment is than not only are taxes a southern invention, but taxation and public services and public spending are the most inefficient and costly (euro by euro) in countries like Greece and Italy. Greece has/had a very costly public sector. There is no doubt that the Southern countries lack the "protestant work ethic" and industrious nature of, say, Germany, as they're content with living their lazy lives with little stress. It's not a matter of one way of life being better than the other, but rather that they're completely different. |
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Absolutely. Just because I'm tolerant doesn't mean I love gays. But maybe intolerance and all other non progressive "values" and "morals" like being more prone to resort to violence and corruption is that put those countries you mentioned in the same basket and we around the Baltic and North Sea in the other... So answering Hevneren: white unity no, cultural maybe yes. But ultimately I'm not a racist so I let Asians, Africans, Amerindians, Latinos etc have their pride. As long as pride does not lead to conflict, neo-colonialism, chauvinism, arrogance and exploitation on racial principles. |
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From my perspective, yes. Secularism, high taxes, gay friendliness, these are alien and unnecessary things. But from a Scandinavian point of view, I'm sure they're considered to be far more normal than they would be in, say, Malta. When you see secularism and a rejection of Catholicism as godlessness, we see it as emancipation, individualism and freedom as our ancestors once had. When you see high taxation, you think expensive living and corrupt government, when we see a system that functions (more often than not) and goods and services for every citizen. When you see acceptance of homosexuality you see the acceptance of sinfulness, when we see the acceptance of other human beings and recognition of their value in society. |
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If I was a Greek or Italian I wouldn't go for Northern European (including British and Irish) women. Sure, they can be very pretty ofcourse, but they get so drunk. Indeed, It would be really strange to see a Greek woman getting drunk like a man. |
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I'm not saying I disagree with you here, but your description of Nordic countries isn't based on reality but exaggerated to make them look bad (from your perspective). And about the woman, depends, pre-Roman societies gave women many rights, but the Romans did not. In Spain always (since Middle Ages) women could vote in municipal assemblies and even be councilors, and the woman did not lose her surname upon marriage, also was transmitted to her son. |
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Most people prefer their "own" women actually, If Greeks and Italians go for northern women it's mostly because of tourism. I have a friend who is half British and another one who is half Norwegian. Nordic women. ![]() |
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No - there isn't even any consensus about what "white" means. I also think that I've got a lot more in common with a Greenlandic kid who has grown up here in a Danish environment than what I have in common with many other so called "white" Europeans, and if the "white" label also extends beyond Europe, then definitely no!
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