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Knowing tirunelveli is not a qualification to disagree Mr. Manoj's argument gentleman!. Your knowledge of Tamil history is not simply not enough to challenge him. Ketti bommu is of naiker clan and his court language is telugu. He is not a king and zamindhar holding just half of todays tuticorin dist.

No relation to Pandiya dynasty and he is not even of tamil orgin.
He failed to pay his taxes and escaped to pudukottai after a tussle with british forces, captured and hanged.

He is a blot to Tamil history. No tamils whose mother tongue is Tamil in the neigbhouring areas liked him. He was brutal and robbed ordinary peasants of that area of their livlihood because he is a telugu he has no respect for the tamil speaking people. They joined hand with the british and eliminated him.

This is the true history, donot live in a world of cheap celluloid fantasy.

http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/banghead.gif who said like that kattaboman is not of telugu origin and he did not tease any peasants if he did so how come people praise him and about his tamil fluency.he was the only single king to oppose the british and heis a brave men and he dosen't need to hind behind anywhere http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo.../notworthy.gif

He occupied Supplapuram village of Ettappan. It has been told that the village belongs to forefathers of Ettapan and during the allocation it was passed on to Kattaboman. The enemity is not due to the village but Britishers used this to divide them or seeded the enemity between the two their own concept of divide and rule .

I am not too sure on the theif part mentioned in the post of 2 hubbers http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo.../confused2.gif there is a saying that he go for patrols regularly and ppl were pretty happy with his rule.

Aravindan http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo.../notworthy.gif http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/clap.gif

He did not oppose for the sake of Indian independence, rather for his own survival after he is not a favourite among the majority of the population. The songs written about kings and Zamindhars are by the begging poets who pledge tamil for their livlihood cannot be taken seriously. If he is a real hero of the masses, why only naidu s in that region worship him.(with some of their rusted weapons) That too very few of them in numbers.
He is a Telugu and he is a Hero of telugus only accept the reality and we have many heros of Tamil orgin and give them the due respect. Don't belive the fake tamil's claim and get carried away.

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The songs written about kings and Zamindhars are by the begging poets who pledge tamil for their livlihood cannot be taken seriously.

It was not only the "beggin poets" as you allege, Albert. See below for what even the British had to record. I quoet Aravindan, earlier on in this thread

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Why did the Englishman HR Pate, writing in the early 20th century, speak of how Kattabomman's name was still such a revered one in Tirunelveli?

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He did not oppose for the sake of Indian independence, rather for his own survival after he is not a favourite among the majority of the population. The songs written about kings and Zamindhars are by the begging poets who pledge tamil for their livlihood cannot be taken seriously. If he is a real hero of the masses, why only naidu s in that region worship him.(with some of their rusted weapons) That too very few of them in numbers.
He is a Telugu and he is a Hero of telugus only accept the reality and we have many heros of Tamil orgin and give them the due respect. Don't belive the fake tamil's claim and get carried away.

heyy even tippu fought for his sword...jansi rani for her country...

in their period nationality is restricted to their area!

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There was no one single India back then to fight for. I think in spite of having Telugu origins, he fought for his land/kingdom which happened to be populated with Tamils. Does that not say something about him? And as Aravindhan has pointed out, we cannot apply today’s standards to judge what happened back then. If we do that, all of history's great figures can be easily prosecuted for Human Rights violation, War Crimes and almost everything that is listed in the UN to protect the common man.

Hi Manoj,
Before calling currently popular history as wrong, why can't you provide some evidences against kattabomman? If you read Pirabanjan's book on "Maanudam Vellum' and "Vaanam vasapadum", you can understand most of the histories of early rulers of Tamil Nadu were exagrated and wrong. Most of them were cruel when it comes to the people outside their province. Common people were suffering lot due to ruthless fightings out of self centered wishes of rulers.

I agree, we don't have the history of many famous (assumed) rulers in the eyes of common man and most of them exaggerated according to the own prefernces of historians. As I requested you already, provide some evidence. I will support you, if you are correct. Till that time, let me believe what folklores present (not the historians).

As I explained, the line is very thin. For example, the Kashmiri Jihadis, LTTE or PLO or Naxalbaris or IRA may be terrorists in most of our prejudiced view but they may be freedom fighters from their people point of view. So, definition changes based on which side you stand and the history of such movement projected to people by each side changes. In order to understand the true history we need some unbiased opinions form third parties. Do you have any proofs from such independent source? If we don't have proofs from third party, the next preferred proof is the sayings of common man.

I have heard about the book by Thamizhvanan titled “kattabomman kollaikaran” during my school days. But I didn’t have much interest to read his book because of his master of jackal traits (assumed to be written books on any subject on earth) and particularly after reading some of his books. I hope you may not quote his book alone.

So till I get some authentic proof, let me believe the sayings of common man.

Can you please give some authentic proof?

Hi R_KK,
Sorry to note that you too are a victim of the biased history. For reference, you can read any history written by early non-Tamil writers.

The unwritten poems and folk arts among the village people may still praise Kattapomman. However, you should understand the truth. Eminent Indian and foreign historians agree that all the historical poems are exaggerated and evince much carelessness about accuracy in details. In all the poems the poetical narrator’s imagination is allowed to free play.

I am sure; no person can be 100% evil. There should have been many good characters in Kattabomman also. However, to qualify as a national or Tamil hero, several other qualities and noble attributes are required. Apart from this, he should not indulge in any killing or atrocities on the innocent. Unfortunately, Kattabomman fares well in the second one.

Moreover, the presence of one or few members of the underprivileged in his camp does not make him a righteous person. His deeds were evil against those, who didn’t belong or accept him or his ways.

Fighting British (between 1799 to 1947) does make anyone a hero. One has to really see his/her motive behind the fight. Many noble souls fought for the independence of their motherland, but many were forced to fight, because their atrocities were too inhuman, and the ruling authority had to take hard action to protect the general pubic. Unfortunately, Kattabomman falls in the second category.

You have totally a wrong idea about terrorist. There is a vast ocean between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. (You wrongly mentioned it as a very thin line). Irrespective of which side you are standing, Freedom fighter is a freedom fighter and terrorist is a terrorist. The moment one knowingly kills an innocent person/civilian, he is a terrorist.

The great Nethaji can never be compared to Kattabomman. By comparing, it is an insult to Nethaji. Nethaji never had any self-interest in his fight. He had no other reason to fight the British; other than freedom for his country. He never killed innocent people. He never killed ordinary Indians. However, this was not the case with Kattabomman. Gandhiji was a freedom fighter, respected by the British and all people all around the world.
Also, the true definition for terrorist and freedom fighter should be based on the general human rights record and not on the feelings of the small beneficiary group. It should take the whole mass into consideration and not just the few. In today’s world, no one in independent, a small event in any small part directly or indirectly affects the whole mass. Therefore, human rights should be the basis of consideration.

There is an ocean full of noble and great souls from India. Nevertheless, there were many ruthless, selfish, and crazy figures also from this sacred land. One has to identify and condemn their acts and not hide the truth. Just because, the person being an Indian, his evil deeds cannot/can-never be justified. Wrong is always wrong, whoever it is. (Netrikan thirapinum kutram kutrame) Instead of justifying, their cruel acts, one has to learn from their past mistakes and ensure that such evil is not repeated in the future.

Valga Valamudan, Valga Tamilagam
Manoj

Hi Rajasaranam,
Logically when you want to compare any two, it should be apples with apples & not with oranges. Likewise, when we speak on the topic of committing terrorist acts, Kattabomman committed terrorist acts but Nethaji never committed terrorist acts. He just got aid from Japan and Germany in the form of weapons and training for his army. INA (Indian National army) never killed any Jews, they were fighting against the British, in and around India. Therefore, no one can accuse Nethaji for the Nazi crimes in the Second World War. So, your comparison is totally wrong.

Secondly, on terrorism, irrespective of which side you are standing, no terrorist acts of killing innocent people can ever be justified by any people. What so ever your noble cause may be, you do have right to take the life of an innocent person. When one starts killing innocent people routinely for a certain cause, he is a terrorist. I agree the small beneficiary group around him will always call him a hero but for the general majority and on the scale of human right records he is a terrorist. Whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not, majority in the world will call him a terrorist based on the human rights records. In this case, we have to accept the rational majorities view and not the small beneficiary group’s view.
Even the band of dacoits will call their leader a hero, but in reality, he is a desperado. The world can never accept the band’s view; he is to be weighted on the scale of human rights and condemned as a criminal.

You logic of comparison is again wrong this time. You are comparing Raja Raja Cholan who was a king trying to establish a larger kingdom with a feudal lord who was just plundering and murdering people to loot.

I agree with the point that the history at those times; when all kings and rulers were always fighting against each other and bought misery to the common people. It was their way of life, people had no other choice, they had to accept it, and the local people always unquestionably hailed their leaders as their heroes. Definitely, nothing can be done against it now. However, we can certainly avoid portraying these despots as our national heroes.

Of course, I am not interested in branding X Y and Z as terrorists, but would also not like these X, Y & Z to be depicted as a selfless national heroes.

I agree with you that we need some heroes to make people understand that they are the true heroes of the future. India has plentiful of noble heroes with virtue/integrity/morality and uprightness. Only these people should be projected as heroes to inspire / motivate/ encourage the present and future generation for a prosperous and glorious India.

Mr.Sudhama

Can you share your thoughts on KB here ?

Reading the previous posts create more confusion on whether this KB was a NALLAVAN or a KETTAVAN ? http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...n_rolleyes.gif

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He is not favourite among people ah... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif come to south and see the voice and geth of him.to be true he is the people's champion!!!!!you say he is of telugu origin come to nellai point out who speaks telugu we r tamil verians hindi ethirpaium arambichathu nangathan tamil ah nelainatupavarum nellai makkal than.in all other district u can find more people speaking other languages.moreover they say he speaks tulu.even raja raja cholan a tamil king only spoke tulu