[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Topic started by vinay (@ adsl-67-39-3-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) on Wed Oct 22 22:07:56 .


Hey,
I strongly believe that tamil language has its own roots and is independent from any other language in the world. But I now have a doubt. Is the word "kamam" in tamil is derived from Sanskrit or not. Because in sanskrit too we have "kama".

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

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[Fegasderty]

The Japanese Islands name, 'Izu' and 'kuril Islands' the word 'Izu' and 'kuril' what do they mean in Japanese? Do they have connection with the Thamizh words 'Izhu' and 'kuril?'

[9mm_fan]

Thiru Neduncheziyan avargale!!

Vanakkam. The word "thaLapathi" is derived as follows:

The root is thaL, which means that which is at the base and increased in size or in other ways.

thaL > thaaL - foot, feet, base.
"eNkuNaththaan thaaLai vaNangkaath thalai" (kuraL).
"thaaLunda niiraith thaalayaale than tharuthalaal" (Avvai).
thaaL > thaaLam: beats as synchronised by the movement of the feet; now, generally, any beat of drum or as measured by the movement of hands.
thaL > thaLam : base, something like feet, from which all movement takes place. Organisational base.
thaLam + pathi = thaLapathi. (the leader of a base; a base commander.)

pathi-thal: pathinthu iruththal. ( entrenched or well secured in a place. ) (other meanings are not relevant here at this moment).
pathi = a ruler or official or commander, entrenched or well-secured in a place; one who rules the place; a leader.
From the above, "thaLapathi" meaning is clear.

[softy54534]

CONTD:

"naayakan" naayar (plural).
Meaning as above.

Also, the word naagan corrupts to "naayan", which is a different derivation from the above naayan, thus giving the word "naayan" two meanings.

Naayan = padaiththalaivan; this, together with naagan> naayan, became a caste later. We need not go beyond word derivation here.

[Thrusled]

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[LottiFurmann]

Thiru Neduncheziyan,

There is some bug in this thread and some of the things I wrote went missing.

naya + aka(m) + an = naayakan.
naya (verb) > nayaththal = virumbuthal, pinchelluthal.

Look at the phrase: piRanmanai nayaththal.

[tgs]

CONTD

naayakan - one who is liked; one who is followed; a leader; a general.

naya + an = naayan, (singular). naayar (plural)
meaning as above.

Since naagan also derived to "naayan", the word naayan has two births and two meanings. It eventually evolved into a caste. We need not go beyond derivation of words.

[PhillipHer]

contd

The word sengunthan also denotes a position in the military, like the word "lance corporal".
Senguntham = a lance or stave, that is carried by the person who marches ahead of his force of men or platoon.

muthal> muthali: one who marches ahead of his force. This word is found in stone inscriptions as "padaimuthali", as per researchers. It shortened to "muthali" . Meaning is clear from the word: it means the first person. (not a general, but a right marker or left marker in marching.)

We are here only concerned with word derivation. We set aside the social aspects etc such as what connotations the word attained as it progressed through time.

[MannoFr]

contd:

akam + padi + ar = akaththup padinthu iruppavar. Internal (palace) workers or guards.

maRavan = a soldier.

Military workers have evolved into castes in many instances and therefore, these ranks cannot be neatly set against current Western military ranks most of the time.

[brraverishhh]

CONTD:

As between Japanese and Tamil, researches are going on. I shall rever to them in due course and let you know, thiru Neduncheziyan avargale!!

[Ifroham4]

correction: rever read as refer. Thanks and sorry for errors.

[Drugmachine]

//"eNkuNaththaan thaaLai vaNangkaath thalai" (kuraL).//
The common definition given to this kural, is that right? There are people who say that 30 kurals in Thirukkural were inserted into the Thirukkural at a later time and wasn't in the original Kurals that Thiruvalluvar wrote.

//As between Japanese and Tamil, researches are going on. I shall rever to them in due course and let you know, thiru Neduncheziyan avargale!!//
nanRi

THIRU A P MASILMANI avargaLae!
paNnivu __/__


//The word sengunthan also denotes a position in the military, like the word "lance corporal".//
Does the word 'Sengunthan' have any connection with the Cheran 'Chenkuttuvan?' What does Chenkuttuvan means?

[Drugmachine]

Hello Thiru Masilamani,

I think the work Vidhavai (widow in Tamil), is derived from the sankrit work Vidhva as it is very close to the english word Widow. Let me know if I'am right.
Also let me know what is the pure Tamil word for Widow..

Thanks

[Slonopotam845]

I mean, Sanskrit word is original and Tamil word is derived from it as the Sanskrit word is very close to English word...

[MannoFr]

Thiru Chandrashekar,

Vithavai may be Indo-European in origin, and may have been taken from Skrt. Pure Tamil word is "KaimpeN".

Regards.

[brraverishhh]

//wasn't in the original Kurals that Thiruvalluvar wrote.//

Thiru Neduncheziyan avargale! No way to confirm. Even if someone else wrote and inserted it, it must have occurred long before; the word "thaaL" was then already in use.

//connection with the Cheran 'Chenkuttuvan//
No connection with the Cheran. Kuttuvan was from Kuttanaadu. "Kuttuthal" here is said to mean "Ethiriyaik kuttuthal". Kuttuthal: kuttaiyakkuthal (making the other smaller in battle or thalaiyil kuttuthal: knocking with one's knuckles on the head of another

Senguntham: kuntham = stave or stick. Senguntham is a stick which is held upright when marching.
(Senguththaaka pidikkum kOl).

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nanRi.

[Paul Bunyan]

Thiru Neduncheziyan.

You did not ask if Kuttuvan became "Kutty" - now a caste title in Kerala!! Some researchers think so.

[Ifroham4]

nanRi Thiru A P MASILMANI avargaLae!!

What is an equivalent word for the word 'Luck?' People use 'athistam' but thats either sanskiritized Thamizh word or a sanskirit word.

I once heard from someone that Thamizhars had 16 or more different age sections. For instance in English say you'd have Child age, Teenage then adult etc ( I don't know if there are anything in between those in English). Anyhow, do you know those stages in Thamizh? Would you please list them?

nanRi, vaNnakkam

[Ifroham4]

//"Kutty"//

Isn't kutty also mean 'peN'(female) in Malayalam? Like eE peN