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Romobencience 05-10-2007 04:50 PM

Rich People and Politics?
 
From an Australian perspective it's hard to understand why some very rich people, like Taksin but Berlusconi in Italy would be another example, even bother to be involved in government.

In Australia a serious businessman would consider it a grand waste of time to be the Prime Minister, too much of a pointless distraction from the real work of making money.

I'm not saying the wealthy don't have lots of influence in Australian politics, clearly they do, in any country, but this particular path, of the CEO of a huge company becoming also the CEO of a country, seems pretty inefficient to me.

What's the benefit?

Mikel.

BalaGire 05-10-2007 06:13 PM

Interesting question. I guess this can be related to a theory by an American pshychologist (David McClelland) who poposed that human motivation comprises three dominant needs:

1) Need for achievement-or need to excel in one's undertakings
2) Need for affiliation- need for harmonious relationship with other people, need to be accepted
3) Need for power- need for authority, to be in charge, to direct others, to organize the efforts of others to further the goals of a group, organization, country (if in politics)

In his theory, David McClelland asserts that an individual's specific needs are acquired over time and are shaped by one's life experiences. The subjective importance of each need varies from individual to individual and depends also on an individual's background

Perhaps those who desire to acquire political positions have Need for Power as their most dominant need.

aburva.org 05-10-2007 06:17 PM

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From an Australian perspective it's hard to understand why some very rich people, like Taksin but Berlusconi in Italy would be another example, even bother to be involved in government.

In Australia a serious businessman would consider it a grand waste of time to be the Prime Minister, too much of a pointless distraction from the real work of making money.

I'm not saying the wealthy don't have lots of influence in Australian politics, clearly they do, in any country, but this particular path, of the CEO of a huge company becoming also the CEO of a country, seems pretty inefficient to me.

What's the benefit?

Mikel.
Megalomania has a lot to do with it.

The present Prime Minister of Australia is the richest man ever to hold the position, although all of the money is in his wife's name.

Borzopayn 05-10-2007 10:19 PM

I think it depends on the country. Where there is relatively little corruption, power and prestige is likely a big driver. The very wealthy often run for high office in the U.S. where the salary for them is probably more like a token of appreciation of sorts.

In California, there is currently a battle of the billionaires (or very close to it) in the gubernatorial race. The job pays just over $200,000. It has been reported that the current governor does not even accept the salary.

In other countries farther down the corruption scale, "champagne wishes and caviar dreams" may be better associated with post-election.

snunsebrugs 05-11-2007 02:10 AM

When you have the money you need the power status and titles politics brings to go with it?
Not always the case, of course, in the UK, it seems, just making a big enough donation to a major political party you will get honours and titles!

77Dinaartickire 05-11-2007 02:32 AM

Shouldn't we now be camped out in Westminster "demanding" that Gordon Brown resign in the interests of Democracy? http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...ies/butbut.gif

David

fameintatenly 05-11-2007 02:37 AM

I have heard the term 'wanting to serve' in connection with the wealthy becoming politicians. There are lots of ways to serve. It's just that some ways of serving humankind get less public notoriety than others.

wrefrinny 05-11-2007 03:51 AM

Can be answered in 1 word......"POWER." - As the saying goes "power corrupts,but absolute power corrupts absolutely."

DoterrFor 05-11-2007 05:13 AM

Australia's former opposition leader was the richest Member of the Australian parliament with a net worth of around 200 million, given that he could conservatively earn 5% income or about 10 million a year on that amount, that would make the salary Australian Prime Ministers income of 300 and something thousand look minuscule, look at Ross Perot in the US, a multi billionaire, he ran for president, he obviously would not consider the presidential wage as much of an incentive to work like a dog
The Rich don't join politics for money in western countries, they enjoy the prestige and power, there already got the money.

snunsebrugs 05-11-2007 05:15 AM

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Shouldn't we now be camped out in Westminster "demanding" that Gordon Brown resign in the interests of Democracy? http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...ies/butbut.gif

David
In this weather??!!http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag.../laughlong.gif
That is the problem-not to mention an instant crackdown by the Police!

TOD4wDTQ 05-10-2008 06:07 PM

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From an Australian perspective it's hard to understand why some very rich people, like Taksin but Berlusconi in Italy would be another example, even bother to be involved in government.



What's the benefit?
Well Berlusconi would most likely be in jain unless he signed off some laws giving himself immunity http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag.../laughlong.gif

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In California, there is currently a battle of the billionaires (or very close to it) in the gubernatorial race. The job pays just over $200,000. It has been reported that the current governor does not even accept the salary.
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He doesn't. He also commutes with his private jet and stays in an hotel when hes working http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...lies/smile.png


To answer the question:

1) Need to be recognized.

2) Consolidation of power.

3) Wants to do good thing

TOD4wDTQ 05-10-2008 06:13 PM

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When you have the money you need the power status and titles politics brings to go with it?
Not always the case, of course, in the UK, it seems, just making a big enough donation to a major political party you will get honours and titles!
People still sell their noble titles for quite a lot. Through the history, and present day included, new money seems obsessed with gaining the status of old money. http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...s/rolleyes.png

snunsebrugs 05-11-2008 02:04 AM

Problem in the UK is that businessmen, via the Honours List compiled by the government, can enter the Upper House and, totally unelected by the population, have a very real role in determining legislation. They can even be appointed to government posts -Lord Sugar of "Amstrad" fame-or should that be infamy?-is a prime example of this.

77Dinaartickire 05-11-2008 02:19 AM

Peter Mandelson... http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...lies/devil.gif

David

TOD4wDTQ 05-11-2008 02:25 AM

Well it's common in many countries that career diplomats are being replaced as ambassadors by people who are "being rewarded" and let's not forget all other government jobs. In fact the Greek crisis is largely being attributed by the appointment to such jobs, which where lifelong!

77Dinaartickire 05-11-2008 02:42 AM

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In fact the Greek crisis is largely being attributed by the appointment to such jobs, which where lifelong!
They mentioned on the news last weekend that, when talking about the Greek crisis, such things that there is a hospital in Athens that employs 40 gardeners but does not have a garden... http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...lies/wacko.gif

David

snunsebrugs 05-11-2008 02:45 AM

Well, at least he was elected-once upon a time.
Now believed busy preparing the new leader of New Labour for his role-makes a change from innocently lolling around on some Russian's yacht, I suppose.http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...s/rolleyes.png

TOD4wDTQ 05-10-2009 07:23 AM

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They mentioned on the news last weekend that, when talking about the Greek crisis, such things that there is a hospital in Athens that employs 40 gardeners but does not have a garden... http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...lies/wacko.gif

David
They also had to raise their retirement age from 53 http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...ies/butbut.gif

Seriously;

Greeks are full of gardeners without gardens so to speak. Such jobs were given as a reward and that's a system which been going on for many many years.

mylittlejewelaa 05-11-2009 03:46 AM

http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...lies/smile.png Hope that the rich politician is equally rich at heart and mind as he/she is in material wealth...

mikeyyuiok 05-11-2009 04:54 AM

http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/imag...lies/smile.png Therefore when a rich politician perform in the almost duties, they need to remember the speech in Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, “government of the people, by the people, for the people”.


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