[Stoottnoiciek]

The following information comes from an article written by Arthit Khwankhom for The Nation published on 12th July 2006.

* Coffins range in price from Bt800 to above Bt200,000, with refrigerated caskets coming in at between Bt30,000 and 60,000, according to the research.

* In 1996 about 314,000 Thais died and if multiplied by that year's average coffin price of Bt4,500, the total sales would reach Bt1.4 billion.

* This year the projected number of deaths is set at 450,000 and even when multiplied by the relatively low cost of a 1996 coffin, around Bt2 billion would still be spent on coffins.

* The funeral costs include using a temple's morgue and paying for prayer services, cremation, undertakers, wreaths, refreshments, shrouds, ceremonial rope and souvenirs.

* A funeral can cost from Bt9,000 to more than Bt70,000, varying according to the number of days it lasts and the size of the temple.

* Usually, a Buddhist funeral lasts for between three and seven days. A three-day funeral at a small temple could cost less than Bt15,000.

* Coffins and the wooden flower placed on the coffin called a dok mai chan are often handmade by family businesses.

[DownloadMan]

But will have a total figure sometime later.
As of now we have bought most stuff, for the Coffin and flowers and all things up to this point is 25,000 baht.
That doesn't count the rent of the reefer box that the coffin is in and that belongs to the Temple and the cremation will also be there so the donation for that will come later.
But we live in a fair size village, and people have came from all over to be a part of the proceedings and the food bills are adding up and there will be in access of 200 people here again today and the whole thing has or will have taken 5 days because he was born on a wednesday so he will not go to the Wat til thursday.
We have done the whole thing right here at home, he died here and was prepared for the cremation here.

But the projected total expense is 100,000 baht.

I have opened a new album in fotki for the funeral pix and should have it posted friday or so.

[YTmWSOA5]

The following information comes from an article written by Arthit Khwankhom for The Nation published on 12th July 2006.

* Coffins range in price from Bt800 to above Bt200,000, with refrigerated caskets coming in at between Bt30,000 and 60,000, according to the research.

* In 1996 about 314,000 Thais died and if multiplied by that year's average coffin price of Bt4,500, the total sales would reach Bt1.4 billion.

* This year the projected number of deaths is set at 450,000 and even when multiplied by the relatively low cost of a 1996 coffin, around Bt2 billion would still be spent on coffins.

* The funeral costs include using a temple's morgue and paying for prayer services, cremation, undertakers, wreaths, refreshments, shrouds, ceremonial rope and souvenirs.

* A funeral can cost from Bt9,000 to more than Bt70,000, varying according to the number of days it lasts and the size of the temple.

* Usually, a Buddhist funeral lasts for between three and seven days. A three-day funeral at a small temple could cost less than Bt15,000.

* Coffins and the wooden flower placed on the coffin called a dok mai chan are often handmade by family businesses.

It is not over yet,
And than there are the first burial rites 3 month after the person has deceased with the party cost.

[DownloadMan]

Not 3 months, it can be anytime, 3 days or 3 weeks or when ever the family has the money to afford a drunk booze food party,, I will not contribute to such a party,

Alcohol is one of the worst things in this country, to many guys spend their incomes on booze and the family lives in a shack and goes hungry so the ol man can lay around drunk.

Thai are asian, Aleutes and Eskimos along with the American Indian are asian and can not handle alcohol, it killed off a lot of Eskimo tribes because traders gave them whiskey for furs/ivory and they got drunk and stayed that way during the time that they should have been fishing,whaling and hunting and they starved to death.

[DownloadMan]

OK I made the album and when I went to download the cam on my puter ir refused to hook up to either cam or card reader so Sunee did it on her laptop, but the wizard will not hook to her pics so she has to upload them one at a time, will take awhile and when I want to edit them it is hard to do when you live in a place that has internet connection only 5 min out of every 30 minutes, coarse I only pay $30 a month for the privelage of using their fine service,,TTT ADSL.

[JoesBro]

Thanks, FIP, for going to a huge amount of trouble to share these pics.

[DownloadMan]

There is more on her puter and we still have 2 days to go, so will be somemore,, thanks

[WertyNtont]

Thai are asian, Aleutes and Eskimos along with the American Indian are asian and can not handle alcohol... So, are you Asian or Eskimo??? If I recall, you had a bit of trouble with the bottle yourself. I also know of a great many Brits, Aussies, Americans, and other farang who seem to have trouble holding their liquor and, subsequently, controlling their behavior. Just wondering why Asians and Native Americans get singled out.

[DownloadMan]

So, are you Asian or Eskimo??? If I recall, you had a bit of trouble with the bottle yourself. I also know of a great many Brits, Aussies, Americans, and other farang who seem to have trouble holding their liquor and, subsequently, controlling their behavior. Just wondering why Asians and Native Americans get singled out.

Because they are the most prominent races that tend to become alcoholic drinkers at the first drink or very soon thereafter.
Altho I am european but I was an alkie at 5 years of age, first drink I had I liked it.
Anyone can become alkie, but with some it takes longer to do it, some people are alkie and don't ever drink so they don't know it, some are alkie and only drink 1 time a year, but when they drink, they get drunk.
After 25 years without a drink, I know if I had 1 I would not stop until I passed out, It has been proven to me that you can make a pickle out of a cucumber, but you can not make a cucumber out of a pickle.

Some races are genetically more inclined to alcoholism than others, most europeans drink quite a bit but do not get roaring drunk everytime they have a drink and can stop anytime they want to, but given that lifestyle after awhile some do become alkie.
Just as not every Thai or Indian is an alkie, but if it does seem to be more of a problem with your race than with others, why chance it??

I never craved alcohol, but if I had a drink then I would kill for another and could not stop. So I have none and the compulsion to drink never bothers me now.
The govt. did make it illegal to trade booze to the people of the north, just like they did to the American indian, but with the way things are now, alcoholism and suicide is rampant amoung the Eskimos and aleutes now.

But getting drunk and raising hell and being an ass is not a sign of alcoholism, getting sloppy drunk and staying that way as long as possible is. Just like Sunee uncle over at the funeral, he is pissing everyone off and he has not left there since it started, Passes out on the ground and gets up and drinks til he is passed out again and I haven't seen the brother in law since this thing started 4 days ago, last time I saw him was the first afternoon, he was passed out in the back yard layin in the cow shit behind my house.

But if you can have a drink and not think anymore about it, then you are pobly OK, But if one makes you feel like a new man and you just have to give him a drink, then you should not have that first one.

And member people who say "AW come on you can have just one" If a train hits you, it usually ain't the caboose that kills ya.

[kylsq0Ln]

This drink thing is interesting. My impression was that some Asians have a low tolerance for alcohol. A couple of drinks and they turned red and were a little incoherent. So they hardly ever drank. I didn't think this was the same as being alcoholic, since it wasn't as if they craved it. They only drank because of the social situation (wedding or something). The people I'm thinking of are Chinese. In fact, I know few Chinese who drink a lot, but from what you say it is good for them to be cautious.

[DownloadMan]

OK, back on topic,, after everything is said and done, looks like the cost is 110,000 baht and that includes the 5 cases of Thai whiskey that they drank, plus what was brought by some mourners or at least by the partisipants in the drinking part.
Now all that is left is the purchase of the fancy thing that the ashes are put in and will be left on the Temple grounds with the ones that are already there, very few are on home property, which I find strange really.

[DownloadMan]

As for the drinking thing http://www.rsoa.org/lectures/01/01.pdf Pages 20-24 address ethnic differences. Asians actually are genetically predisposed to a condition that deters alcohol consumption because it causes physical discomfort (similar to that caused by the drug "Antibuse" given to alcohol abusers to curb their consumption).

I have heard that too, but not every Thai drinks, so maybe thats the reason, altho I see a lot of Thai that do drink alcoholically, as most do if they drink at all.
I got drunk behind antibuse once myself, sure will never do that again, it can kill you and it damn near did me. So the way to prevent that is don't take it, but some are on a maint. program where they have to take it daily at a pharmacy or office, it doesn't work on everyone and some can drink in moderation when taking it.

As to dying in a hospital, I choose not to altho our personal in the hospital is fully trained and very nice people, I thought that you stated somewhere in a post that Thailand was a place to get good medical care??
I am totally repulsed by the idea of dying in a hospital or nursing home, surrounded by undereducated and underpaid strangers .

Guess that has changed, But Thailand, like some other countries lets the family stay in the hospital and care for the patient, in fact they encourage it as it does free up people and tends to make the patient more comfortable, But when all was done to cure father they did recommend that he die at home as they could do him no more good, not like the hospitals in the USA where they recieve thousands of dollars a day to watch you die and it is a real "cash in the bank" process.

There is lots of stuff on Thai alcohol consumption, Check google,,

[enasseneiff]

ya i couldnt think about dying in a hospital or nursing home either.
when my aunt died, the family was at the hospital.
or rather, we got there a few mins after she died. she wasnt even in the riggermortus state yet that is how fast we got there. i was thinking to myself did she feel any [pain? of course not, she was too doped up on anti pain drugs.
thats another thing. the hospitals here always dope u up if u r in alot of [pain. they dope u up so bad that u dont even know where u r at times. trust me i know from experience.
but anyway, we saw her on her death bed as well. but after her funeral, they drove her to a place where she got cremated. they didnt do it where the funeral was being held.

[DownloadMan]

And for a supposedly educated man you sure never check anything out that I say before you start to try to make me look foolish a do you.

If you would have checked with some advanced medical authorities where you work you might have found out, if you haven't already learned it in living life, that what I said is a proven fact.

Maybe you should go to a few AA meetings and learn about it somewhat. You would be welcomed even if you ain't an alkie.

And now for the main reason,, I live in ASIA, so do not have much to do with Farang except on here. mostly Asian people. as thats who we were talking about..And American indians came across from Asia 30 or so thousand years ago with the Eskimos and migrated south about 10 or so thousand years ago.

[boltondd]

and as for hospitals here in america. of course they make tons of money. for those of u who never been or lived in the usa before. most of americans worship tv and money, instead of god. it sickens me because america was founded on christian principles, i myself am not a christian, but there is so much debatchery and sin going on here that u would find it hard to believe that these people have any shame at all.

A little to expansive Somanea, I don't know your travel experiences here in the US but I would surmise that you haven't been to to many places. What you say is probably more prevalent in the major cities but here in rural NC (bible belt) it is anything but.

I have traveled extensively over a good portion of the US and I find that most people are kind and generous. I would hope that in the future you will experience more of this side of the American people.

[WertyNtont]

As for the drinking thing http://www.rsoa.org/lectures/01/01.pdf Pages 20-24 address ethnic differences. Asians actually are genetically predisposed to a condition that deters alcohol consumption because it causes physical discomfort (similar to that caused by the drug "Antibuse" given to alcohol abusers to curb their consumption).

[enasseneiff]

But will have a total figure sometime later.
As of now we have bought most stuff, for the Coffin and flowers and all things up to this point is 25,000 baht.
That doesn't count the rent of the reefer box that the coffin is in and that belongs to the Temple and the cremation will also be there so the donation for that will come later.
But we live in a fair size village, and people have came from all over to be a part of the proceedings and the food bills are adding up and there will be in access of 200 people here again today and the whole thing has or will have taken 5 days because he was born on a wednesday so he will not go to the Wat til thursday.
We have done the whole thing right here at home, he died here and was prepared for the cremation here.

But the projected total expense is 100,000 baht.

I have opened a new album in fotki for the funeral pix and should have it posted friday or so.

omg! i cant even think of my aunt being prepped for her cremation where everyone could see it. wow.

i thought all they did was put the body in a hot hot oven. i didnt think that any preparation was involved in the process.

[boltondd]

well i have been to 2 states, north carolina when i was little, i dont remember much of that, and alabama last sept when my aunt passed away.
me and my sis flew up there to be with her on her death bed. cries.
but from what i have heard from the little time there, ppl were kind. but here in fl where i am living now. the ppl r horrible. church goers on sun, and as soon as they step out of church, they get back to their sinful lives. when i had my sight, i saw ppl in church, and when they walked out, stare at women and whistle, have cigarettes or beers in their hands.
so that is y i am saying that. i know i shouldnt generalize though.

Which part of FL are you located, Somanea?

I wonder if you have really met any Floridians! The state is full of people from somewhere else. Around here, when they get out of church, they have to go home since the county is semi-dry.

Here is some logic for you, you can go down to the state store and by as much liquor as you like, or you can go to the grocery store and buy as much wine as you like, but you cannot find a beer anywhere. I have to go out of state to resupply. Go figure?

[enasseneiff]

and as for hospitals here in america. of course they make tons of money. for those of u who never been or lived in the usa before. most of americans worship tv and money, instead of god. it sickens me because america was founded on christian principles, i myself am not a christian, but there is so much debatchery and sin going on here that u would find it hard to believe that these people have any shame at all.

[DownloadMan]

It is the same all over the world and in every religion, Some that truly believe and some that say they do and then are only out for themselves, and then you have some people, even atheists that do believe in the Golden rule I guess you could say, and show a lot of consideration for their fellow man.

But you have hypocrites in all walks of life.