[en-druzhba]

Exactly. Its not like the guy didn't speak english & couldn't understand the word STOP. If you've done nothing wrong why would you run from the cops?!?!?

I used to live in Sao Paulo... and in fact, I just got back from there yesterday.

The Brazillians were / are very intereted and sympathetic to the suffering of the people of London.. that hasn't changed with the shooting...

The Brazillian in question, Jean Charles de Menezes, appears to have been a legal immigrant working successfully as an electrician in London. His Visa may have possibly needed renewing but this would have been merely a formality for him... nothing that should have concerned him overly - he could have regularised his position easily...

However, things to consider:

1. He may not have been thoroughly fluent in English and may have been confused by the Police Mens' shouts.
2. The Policemen were in plain clothes (Jeans and Sweatshirts)
3. They had been following him for a significant time before the shooting
4. They had allowed him to take a bus journey prior to him entering the tube station and subsequently the train...
5. If you live in Sao Paulo, you will learn to run from police waving guns, even moreso from a gang of men with guns in plan clothes and shouting aggressively at you... However, he came from a small town in Minas Gerais although he may well have lived in Sao Paulo for some time...
6. When he eventually bolted, the Police naturally assumed that he was doing so for a reason and may have assumed that he was running onto a populated train with the intention of causing an explosion / releasing a chemical or biological agent
7. The UK Police have recently (I understand) been training in ant-terrorist techniques with the Israeli Services, whose main technique is headshot then ask questions... typically, in the past, UK Police have tended to go for wounding - body or limbs... it appears that this man was shot 8 times in the head.

Nobody understands exactly what / why etc... His family are stunned and confused... the UK police are embarassed etc... but at the end of it the tragedy is that an innocent man died...

[luspikals]

Know what, don't run from the cops!!! If this guy was just a fine outstanding citizen he should have just followed instructions. Let the cops search him or run his name or whatever & he would be on his way.

The cops were plain clothes detectives...when men with guns come running at you, you'd scarper too. The muslim community are living in fear as well. Already, one chap was killed in anti muslim violence.

I'm sure he was up to something though. How SURE are you now? The police have said he is innocent.

In fact, they've announced an apology on the TV news.

Typical reaction from your camp...shoot first, ask questions later and let's forget about proof or evidence, eh? Bet you were pretty sure Iraq had WMDs too.

[themsrsdude]

I'm sure he was up to something though.

We've got a medium with us ladies and gentleman. The thing is i wasn't expecting anything less of you.

[Vegeinvalge]

I don't think its as black and white as that Meng. The guy came from Sao Paolo where police killing people is an unfortunate part of everyday life. Even brazilian human rights activists were interviewed as saying that they believe there was a lot more to it because they don't believe that someone with that sort of life experience would run from armed police having lived in a city where police shoot so easily. Now, I'm not saying that I think he was a terrorist, but he also wasn't working illegally, so he must have had some reason to run, reason enough to run from gun totting rozzers.

And if a guy pointed a gun at me and said don't run, I'm sure as hell staying my white ass right where it is!

You know what really puzzled me was this article in the news this morning(which I'd love to cite but they seem to have changed it).

The police basically said that the public should be braced for more accidental shootings by the police. I can see why they've pulled that story pretty quick.

[StitsVobsaith]

I don't think its as black and white as that Meng. The guy came from Sao Paolo where police killing people is an unfortunate part of everyday life. Even brazilian human rights activists were interviewed as saying that they believe there was a lot more to it because they don't believe that someone with that sort of life experience would run from armed police having lived in a city where police shoot so easily. Now, I'm not saying that I think he was a terrorist, but he also wasn't working illegally, so he must have had some reason to run, reason enough to run from gun totting rozzers.

And if a guy pointed a gun at me and said don't run, I'm sure as hell staying my white ass right where it is!

Exactly. Its not like the guy didn't speak english & couldn't understand the word STOP. If you've done nothing wrong why would you run from the cops?!?!?

[corriffuniee]

sorry for the double post:

I seriously hope this madness will stop, those bastards are harming the muslim community like no others.

[TaxSheemaSter]

5. If you live in Sao Paulo, you will learn to run from police waving guns, even moreso from a gang of men with guns in plan clothes and shouting aggressively at you... However, he came from a small town in Minas Gerais although he may well have lived in Sao Paulo for some time.....

...yes, I was thinking the same thing...especially after watching The City of God.

[venediene]

We've got a medium with us ladies and gentleman. The thing is i wasn't expecting anything less of you.

Especially since he was dead wrong.

[masterboyz]

Lets not rush to judgement though, its possible that it could have been sliped into the persons pack.