[adsexpist]

You have got to be kidding me....

[blackjackblax]

isnt it true that the only school of ninjutsu with any sort of credible background is bujinkan? and that they claim their art traces back to prehistoric times?

[Kolovorotkes]

So this subject has come up every once in a while with students at the dojo and newer martial arts practitioners. Is ninjitsu a true martial art? I have been told that it is extremely secretive and therefore if I ever do meet a practitioner I probably would not know. But aren't the martial arts guided by the martial way and bushido? Ninjitsu, to my limited knowledge, seems to be about assasination and stealth but also developing the mind and body like other martial arts. However, I cannot recall being taught or reading about assasinations being part of the martial way. If anything it is against it as it is essentially and, once again from my limited knowledge, without allowing the victim to fight back. This does not seem to follow bushido. Perhaps I am wrong. Any opinions and/or facts to illuminate the subject?

Two words, Ninja Scroll.

Watch it. It should answer all your questions.

[Affolfembonge]

I've read a little about ninjitsu (out of boredom with nothing to do/ so i could rip apart ninja trolls in forums). As far as i can tell
1. Ninja were mecenary spies and assasions.
2. They were considered to be the lowest, most dishonorable group of people in feudal japan. And for good reason. Stabbing people in the back/killing people in there sleep/killing women and children if told to do so/espionage in general was considered to be dishonorable.
3. Traditional ninjitsu is an assasionation art, not a martial art.
4. Ninjitsu is remarably similar to the Navy SEAL training. Unarmed and armed combat is incorperated into the training, but a majority of the training revolves around avoiding confrontation and detection.

To answer your questions..no, ninjitsu is not a true martial art. It shouldn't even be considered one. And no, there was no honor in ninjitsu. All of the duties that a ninja would preform were considered to be dishonorable. If you ever meet someone who says they know ninjitsu, don't believe them. As far as i can tell, true ninjitsu dissappeared a long time ago. It got started up again in the 1980's after the movies.... There are a few people today who try to teach ninjitsu, but 99.99999999999% of the time, they're fakes.

Is ninjitsu the same as ninpo?

[KignPeeseeamn]

If you want info on ninpo, do a search at E-budo or just browse the ninjutsu and ninpo section in there.

[Alliopeti]

I was taught the kuji kiri. It is a series of finger knitting you do while meditating, each hand position allows you to manipulate your ki in different ways. I was taught this by my sensei before he even taught me how to kick or punch. If I asked him what type of martial art I was learning he would reply, "karate". Keep in mind I was 11 years old at the time which was a good enough answer for me. It was private instruction every other day at his apartment. Training lasted all day. Unfortuneately I only trained under him for a few months before moving away w/my family but my exploration of the martial arts continued. After moving I starting taking karate at a dojo in S. georgia. I soon realized that what I learned was far different than what I was currently being taught. My old sensei wore shoes when he taught me, my new dojo didnt. My old sensei made me meditate for long peroids of time using the kuji kiri I mentioned above. My new dojo had no meditation. My old sensei made me jog, and swim as well as all my other techinques in the pool. My new dojo did not. Only later on in life did I realize what I was taught, the shoes I mentoned earlier were actually tabi boots. And all the cross-training I did outside was to build endurance in multiple enviroments(land,water). I also found the exact type of medition I was taught in the book, Ninja Mind Control, by Ashida Kim. Also the last hand position of the kuji kiri is the hand position "enlightenment" which is the same hand position a kendoka uses in order to meditate.

I do not consider myself to be a ninjutsu practioner. All I know is what I've been taught. I have attended many martial arts schools, but I have continuned to practice the kuji kiri to this day. It has helped me through some of the worst times of my life. Not many ppl have had a 1st hand experence with ninjutsu, just thought I'd share.

[Green_Monkey23]

You're thinking of bujinkan taijutsu. I don't practice it but we have a club in my hometown. I personally think it's pretty lame. They had a show at a martial arts expo and me and the rest of the kendo club have been talking about their sword techniques ever since. They try to master a wide range of weapons or as I like to put it; never master a wide range of weapons.

Don't take my word for it this swedish homepage has a bunch of movies showing different techniques. http://www.budogruppen.nu/english_media.shtml. From movie 13 they start using weapons.

[rojettafoxx]

Excellent sight GoldenShinai... the only really usefull anser on this thred!

Thanks

EasyMeat

Excellent post EasyMeat. Please spell things properly

[epPtsDno]

Excelent post EasyMeat. Plese spel things propely

Practiss wat u preech Dufus...

[CevepBiageCefm]

ninjitsu was thought of in feudal japan much as the sniper is thought of today.

AFAIK, we have a much, much higher opinion of military snipers than they had of ninja. I would think it more along the lines of current society's view of serial-killers. There's lots of text out there to be read about this; while some of it conflicts, it's an interesting study challenge if you have an interest.

As for a current martial art, there's Bujinken and another one out there. Most of it focuses on martial combat aspects. It really does have a lot more of a survivalist mentality than a pure budo mindset. There's some kata work, the usual punches and kicks, and some grappling work. It's kind of out there survival stuff, I certainly wouldn't know anything about it...

For the folks that do study seriously, I would consider it a martial art. They really do work hard at becoming close combat people. After enough study, some of them get that same cold look that some of hard core SpecOps guys get. Fortunately, that's usually training related rather than trauma, it appears to be overcome. At least the one guy I know all the way back from his high school days is now a normal guy again finally. He went all out, including travelling to study. I think he got turned off by the local loons when he came back to the states and quit.

As for the sword work, well, unless my memory fails me, the thought was, if you see a samurai run... The sword work was more for rounding out the combat training than as a specialization.


As for Naruto, that's complete silyness (and episode 151 should air on TV Tokyo next Wednesday and hopefully end the bikkouchou storyline). Anyone who takes it seriously, should be smiled at and ignored, as they will eventually reach middle school and figure it out.

[NumsAmenniams]

thx, I just saw his book somewhere and it had the same meditation techniques that I was taught. if You say ashida kim is a fake I believe you its not really worth my time to check if hes legit or not. I just know what I was taught and that its helped me greatly in life

[appletango]

And if that didnt work, you would disembowl yourself. Horray disembowling!

[Wckcvhsg]

If you want to learn about ninjas, go here- http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm

This site is serious. Ninjas are real. My friend Textbook Chris saw one once, and he's gone through puberty so he knows. THere are 3 facts about ninjas that cannot be disputed.
1. Ninjas are mamals
2. Ninjas can fly
3. Ninjas get superpissed off and kill people all the time.

In reality Ninjas were the boogymen of the Japanese world. Part fact, mostly fiction. They werenot, and are not considered honorable in the least. That is why the Teen Age Mutant Ninja Turtles were called the Teen Age Mutant Hero Turtles in Japan. To Call them ninjas would be like having an American cartoon called Teen Age Murdering Evil Turtles and they were good guys.

[Zavdpacq]

Not all ninja served lords. Yes, some groups like the iga group did serve a Daimyo, there were many groups were only loyal to whoever paid them.

[JOR4qxYH]

i all-so agree 99% (i like stealth so)

[legal-advicer]

Two words, Ninja Scroll.

Watch it. It should answer all your questions.

Hai Hai, are you recommending the movie, the 13 episode TV series, or the manga?

[ballingham]

I've read a little about ninjitsu (out of boredom with nothing to do/ so i could rip apart ninja trolls in forums). As far as i can tell
1. Ninja were mecenary spies and assasions.
2. They were considered to be the lowest, most dishonorable group of people in feudal japan. And for good reason. Stabbing people in the back/killing people in there sleep/killing women and children if told to do so/espionage in general was considered to be dishonorable.
3. Traditional ninjitsu is an assasionation art, not a martial art.
4. Ninjitsu is remarably similar to the Navy SEAL training. Unarmed and armed combat is incorperated into the training, but a majority of the training revolves around avoiding confrontation and detection.

To answer your questions..no, ninjitsu is not a true martial art. It shouldn't even be considered one. And no, there was no honor in ninjitsu. All of the duties that a ninja would preform were considered to be dishonorable. If you ever meet someone who says they know ninjitsu, don't believe them. As far as i can tell, true ninjitsu dissappeared a long time ago. It got started up again in the 1980's after the movies.... There are a few people today who try to teach ninjitsu, but 99.99999999999% of the time, they're fakes.

[Tndfpcin]

I've read a little about ninjitsu (out of boredom with nothing to do/ so i could rip apart ninja trolls in forums). As far as i can tell
1. Ninja were mecenary spies and assasions.
2. They were considered to be the lowest, most dishonorable group of people in feudal japan. And for good reason. Stabbing people in the back/killing people in there sleep/killing women and children if told to do so/espionage in general was considered to be dishonorable.
3. Traditional ninjitsu is an assasionation art, not a martial art.
4. Ninjitsu is remarably similar to the Navy SEAL training. Unarmed and armed combat is incorperated into the training, but a majority of the training revolves around avoiding confrontation and detection.

To answer your questions..no, ninjitsu is not a true martial art. It shouldn't even be considered one. And no, there was no honor in ninjitsu. All of the duties that a ninja would preform were considered to be dishonorable. If you ever meet someone who says they know ninjitsu, don't believe them. As far as i can tell, true ninjitsu dissappeared a long time ago. It got started up again in the 1980's after the movies.... There are a few people today who try to teach ninjitsu, but 99.99999999999% of the time, they're fakes.

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